| Author | Message | ||
     B00stzx3 |
I plan on picking up Aero/Spikes AR stripped lower soon since that's the only "bannable" item..the only thing that has to go through FFL. Everything else is f2f. Gonna do .22lr dedicated upper first and buy a regular upper at another time. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
This is my zombie gun (not mine actually but just like it) Marlin Camp 9MM Carbine. Cheap ammo, reliable gun, and takes standard S&W mags. I have one in .45ACP also, and it uses 1911 mags.  This gun fell victim to the AR paranoia in the 90's and Marlin discontinued them. | ||
| Loki |
The Camps are wonderful carbines. I liked firing sub-sonic rounds. first you get the bang, then wait and hear paper rip at 50 yds. would like to find another or even similar in .40 | ||
| J2blue |
Dang, I don't have the money to stock up right now. But I have been day dreaming. I wonder if I could apply for grant to purchase some hardware? I was thinking about a custom AI chambered for 22-250 in a 1:9. Then one of the guys at work showed me some cool video of some Kel Tec toys(shotgun and RFB). Of course there are several 338 Lapua babes I wouldn't kick out of bed. The guys at work said they could help me build an AR in .223, which could be a lot of fun. One of them just started his Cerakote business so I can go with camo for any occasion. Then I found a reason to buy a Glock 20 and 23 with matching Roni-G2's.   | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Loki, you can find the camp carbines now and again on gunsamerica, but their $$$ are going up. | ||
| D_adams |
I ordered a Rock River Arms complete lower last night, looks like I'm going to go the build it route instead. Guess I need to sort out what upper I want next. Probably a .223 for general plinking, followed by a 300 AAC Blackout for more serious hunting.  | ||
| J2blue |
If anyone is seriously interested in having gun parts Cerakoted please PM me and I can get you in touch with a good source. Oh yeah, his oven is large enough to Cerakote headers, forks, engines, etc.! (Message edited by j2blue on November 09, 2012) | ||
| Jayvee |
Yah, didn't even mention my Camp 45, way cool little gun. When I bought it, came assembled wrong, big problems till I got a manual. Have 35 or 40 of 1911 magazines anyway, it came with one marked Marlin. The magazine is rare and $$$ now. | ||
| Nukeblue |
so what ever happened to the $599 m&p-15 sport? that was a great deal for an AR. flat top, no dust bolt carrier cover, no forward assist, heavy barrel w/1-8 twist... everything you need and nothing you don't (well except rear sight if i remember right) | ||
| Aesquire |
I am a big fan of the 6.5 Grendel. Still supersonic at 1000 yards, ( a .308 drops below that at 800, and the loss of shock wave often causes wobble... so staying supersonic way out there is good. ) Hits hard enough for any North American Game except the Big Brown Bears. ( arguable... but I like more power and a bigger hole. Browns are very tough. ) The 6.8 SPC is ok, but designed for medium range anti-deer-size targets with roughly 30-30 power levels. ( .270 size bullet.. .277 dia. ) The 6.8 SPC was designed by Army guys with help from industry ( Remington, Hornady ) to improve the stopping power thought lacking in the .223. It does that well, but lacks the precision & range of the 6.5 Grendel. ( and most of my shooting is at small targets a ways away to fruitlessly attempt to improve my lackluster skills... ) The .300 Blackout is another very nice round, designed to have subsonic/suppressed loadings as well as faster, harder hitting ones. It does THAT well. ( Really wish supressors were legal in NY. The Horse Farm across the street would be happy to let me reduce their chuck population, but the noise ( even a .22LR ) bothers the horses, and the training to overcome that is not worth their time. ) Other alternative chamberings have their own pluses, I'm also fond of the .50 Beowulf, and have heard good thing about other big bore cartridges, the .450 Bushmaster has the advantage of available loaded ammo. Hornady. Big fan. | ||
| Ninefortheroad |
"so what ever happened to the $599 m&p-15 sport? that was a great deal for an AR. flat top, no dust bolt carrier cover, no forward assist, heavy barrel w/1-8 twist... everything you need and nothing you don't" Nukeblue It is still selling well in my area. IMHO it is the only low-budget AR worth having... real works well, good reviews, lifetime warranty, great CS from S&W if needed. As far as other of the new "enhanced" calibers for the AR, each may have performance benefits in certain areas, but it (5.56X45) is hard to beat for intended purposes 0 to 300 yds for the money, various loadings, and availability. | ||
| Thumper74 |
Nuke, they're the same price in Ashland at Fin if you're interested. | ||
| Aesquire |
In the Gun Geek mode... The thing I object to in the AR/Stoner platform is the stupid charging handle. You can't cycle the action with the arm shouldered while aiming. It sprays hot crap on your face. I don't see a darn thing good about it. Also, it's design led to the cretinous "forward assist" which would be unneeded if the charging handle was designed right. ( and the forward assist is mostly stupid anyway, since if the round don't fit in, Why do you think it's going to come out ok? ) I have no issues with the gas system, while Admitting that it's dirtier & hotter than a piston mechanism, while being lighter and more accurate. Choice is good. Ninefortheroad... The heavy barrel really isn't needed either. Nice price. IM not so HO, the best thing you can do to/select for any AR rifle is a free floating forend. I suggest not getting a full rail setup, but instead one with a top rail, and the ability to add sections for accessories. Lighter and easier on the hands, less snagging on.... everything. | ||
| Fb1 |
I fondled one of these this afternoon at my local range:  Barnes Precision Machine CQB Patrolman's Carbine, manufactured just down the road in Apex, North Carolina, USA Nice write-up on BPM: http://www.majorpandemic.com/2012/09/barnes-precis ion-machine-bpm-15-ar.html Image source: http://www.gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/BP15CQ Bright.jpg | ||
| Ninefortheroad |
Aesquire... I sort of agree on the charge handle, I guess it is an attempt at an "Ambi" solution. For me, the only time I use it is when putting the first round in. During operation I don't use it again until I remove the last round if I have not emptied the weapon. Overall not a problem for me. I am with you all the way on the Forward Assist, it is a just not needed in 99.99% of real situations with todays AR's. Of the hard core M4 crowd, most do not see the need for them today either. Also agree on the full profile barrel (not necessarily a heavy barrel on the M&P Sport) it is not a must have but it comes with the package and is just a little heavier than say the standard M4 profile. My next AR will have a lightweight/pencil barrel. I also like a free float handguard/rail on a range or longer range target type AR. I just have not found a really light weight one for the right price that I have to have. For a defense type m4 set-up in the sweet spot of capability for the 5.56 (0 to 300 yds), I am leaning to a very lightweight set-up with std or Magpul furniture and only a light and a quality red dot optic. All that said, the AR platform has an incredible number of options and accessories to suit almost everyones desires and even some of their needs  (Message edited by ninefortheroad on November 10, 2012) | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
I did an 80% lower and machined it so it charged on the left side like a fal. Drilled and tapped the bolt carrier and made a charging handle and then milled a slot in the upper. I can't stand the factory handle design either. There are companies that made side charging AR's. | ||
| Nukeblue |
thump, thanks for the info. if i didn't have the bcm upper on the way i'd jump on it. (good to know they're out there) and today i bought a failzero bolt carrier for it  sexy! now i'm at $1k and still need a rear buis & handguard. thinking troy ind & magpul i better watch it, my supposed "trunk gun" is turning out high end lol | ||
| Aesquire |
For a varmint rifle handguard, a plain tube is all you really need. maybe 2 sling mounts to run a sling and bipod. Simple and clean doesn't snag on everything you try and move through. A quad rail handguard gives you lost of gear options, but snags on clothes, catches leaves, and isn't happy to the fingers. The multiple options but clean Barnes Ultra lite handguard seems high perfect. If you are running optics, a folding back up iron sight is wise... I want to try a setup that I just saw in G & A where the front and rear sights are mounted 45 deg to the right mounted on the top rail & front gas block rail, so for close range you just rotate the rifle. Good for running coyotes. http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/game-gun-the-st ag-3g/ I tend to run a fairly high power scope, ( currently a Barska 4-12x with a German reticle. Super cheap, just to try the reticle, truthfully. ) for pop cans at 200+ yards. What I want, is one of these.... http://www.burrisoptics.com/laserscope.html For a laser, I suggest a LaserMax compact unit. LaserMax makes them tough, bright, and locally. ( their guide rod lasers are simply the ultimate sighting system for 1911's, Glocks, etc. ) On a simple tube handguard, you can mount the laser to the top rail just in front of/below the optical sight. The UniMax model lets you hang a light right on the laser... http://www.lasermax.com/Products/RailMountedLasers .aspx Check out the various Vltor stocks, and I highly recommend the Hogue rubber grip. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.dueckdefense.com/ BUIS. | ||
| Aesquire |
The original charging handle on the AR series was a trigger like lever inside the carry handle. A couple of companies make side charging handle uppers. I'm considering which one for my next purchase. Any suggestions? The forward assist handle came when the US Army used very dirty powder in the 5.56 ammo, instead of the clean burning stuff the AR's were designed around. Also, first issue were not issued with cleaning kits, and the gun got a very bad reputation with initial combat use. As a last ditch "It has to shoot, at least one shot, NOW" item, it sorta works. Changing the charging handle design instead would have been smarter..... IMHO. It's not the first time bad weapons choices were made. For years the Seals loved the Stoner Rifle, and had few problems, since they clean their weapons. Not reliable at all for "common troops". The Sharpshooters in the Civil War were issued Colt revolver carbines... that sucked, instead of the Sharpes, which was nigh perfect for the day... And Generals are always resisting high ammo use weapons, claiming the troops will "just waste ammo", if you let them.....  The reason some rifles up through WW2 has magazine cut offs so the troops could single load ammo, just like their grandfathers... and keep the mag in reserve. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
what ever you own, stock up on ammo, get some range time, keep it clean Shoot when you see the whites of their eyes.... even better if it is at a 300 yards | ||
| Sifo |
Pre/post ban weapons? I was reading about them here... http://www.ar15.com/content/legal/preORpost.html And it states...
Is part of the definition of what defined the banned weapons. So here's where I get confused... D_adams is buying a new lower with stock like this... with a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action and has a telescoping stock. Wouldn't that define it as a banned weapon? FB1 points out this beauty... that can be had with the pistol grip, telescopic stock and flash suppressor. How do these manufactures do this. I feel like I must be missing something. This damn thread is creating an itch that I may eventually have to scratch. Building my own just makes me itch more. EDIT: Doing some more reading and it seems the ban is no longer in effect. Correct? If so, why do they still advertise some as pre-ban though? Sure glad there's no confusing laws out there. (Message edited by SIFO on November 11, 2012) | ||
| Rempss |
The Federal 1994 ban did expire in 2004. Several states either kept their own version (NJ, NY, MA, CT) - in these states typicaly one can can buy and own a "pre-ban" model. In the case of California they already had a pretty restrictive ban before 1994, not sure what qualifies to be owned there. Building an AR is a great way to get what you want - there are only about half a million different pieces to choose from! Jeff (Message edited by rempss on November 11, 2012) | ||
| Sifo |
Thanks Jeff. That makes sense. I'm surprised to see IL missing from your list of states. I was looking at model1sales.com just to get an idea of options, etc. A friend just bought one from a guy that builds them as kind of a hobby. I can see why now. I think he pretty much shoots them for a while then sells them at a break even price. It would be a blast being able to keep getting new guns to shoot without a big expense. (Message edited by SIFO on November 11, 2012) | ||
| Gregtonn |
Not exactly tactical . But it looks fun. Maybe add a laser sight. "In a real world situation full auto is a total waste of perfectly useful ammo."_G http://www.impactguns.com/romax-fun-gun-gatling-gu n-base-for-ruger-1022-holds-2-ruger-1022s-rfg.aspx G | ||
| Aesquire |
Tactical is a marketing buzzword. Like "organic" or "Natural". Really, the new Ruger 10-22 breakdown model may be the wisest purchase you can make. Comes in a carry bag. Buy a length of PVC pipe, glue and endcaps, a few bricks of good ammo, and stash it somewhere......forgotten. I once argued with a "militia" wannabe type about arsenals. My point is that if you enjoy collecting and shooting, fine. If you are preparing for the zombie apocalypse, food, water, a machete and a few guns as appropriate is fine. ( one for a buddy, isn't a terrible idea ) Even though there are no Zombies.... You'll still be ready for a natural disaster or the civil unrest that even talking about gets you branded paranoid and dangerous... ( hence the Zombie Apocalypse as metaphor and movie reference... ) Not that wide spread riots will ever happen here... after all, Obama won, and that civil war is canceled. ( many Obama supporters promised to riot if he lost. I believed them far more than the Hollywood "move to Canada" idiots ) What happens in Greece couldn't happen here!  But. Having a huge arsenal just for paranoid reasons is foolish. ( As an enthusiasm, Great! ) Not only is it a waste of money, but it makes you a target, both for thieves, civilian, and Thieves, government. It's not uncommon for collections to be confiscated, illegally, and never returned by crooked police depts. Like DHS, or ATF. But a .22LR ( and I'd argue the Ruger is the best all around ) stashed for emergencies can defend the castle, harvest game, and offers good budget target & skills practice. ( when you "dig it up" out of the locked closet it lives in ) A 10-22 also has quite an advantage in noise, accuracy and firepower compared to the WW2 "liberator" single shot .45ACP gun designed to be dropped to partisans to be a sentry removal ( and enemy weapon harvesting ) tool. For silly and impossible example...let's go with the UN Troops here to correct an election gone wrong. I can't buy a Marder on my salary, but I might be able to borrow one........  | ||
| Sifo |
Aesquire, Zombies are real and they walk among us. I agree pretty well with the rest of what you said though. You only need as many guns as you can carry with ammo. Thanks for the ideas about storing in a sealed PVC pipe. I had a reasonably well worked out plan for when news of gun confiscations start happening. Keeping them free of rust was a major concern though. Now I have a complete plan! One thing that kind of pisses me off is the laws against silencers. I know they can be use for bad purposes, but that probably won't stop those people anyway. I would like to use them when shooting in the back 40 though. We sometimes do this as a family get together that can go for hours. I know there are neighbors that can hear it, but we aren't allowed to mitigate the problem. It just seems stupid to me. At least the closest neighbor is an FFL, so he's pretty cool about it. | ||
| Gregtonn |
I agree with the .22LR thing I have a few of them around. Tactical is a marketing buzzword. Not exactly. I was in a tactical/ops forward unit. Not really marketing and the buzz was usually a near miss by a bullet. G | ||
| Nukeblue |
no laws against silencers here. i have one. just have to pay the $200 tax stamp to batfe & wait on background check. my ar sounds like a 22 lr. no kidding | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I just got one of these:  It's black and has a laser(pew! pew! pew!). Tactical? It's really light due to the use of polymer and aluminum. Kicks pretty hard as you would expect with .38+P Still can't hit a damn thing with it until I adjust the front site. Looks like I need to buy a thin drift of some sort. |
