| Author | Message | ||
     Boogiman1981 |
http://goo.gl/gIfrB being charged again. thoughts? | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Two words: Roger Clemens  | ||
| Jaimec |
There has been no athlete in HISTORY who has been tested more than Lance Armstrong. NO ONE. And he's passed every single damned test they've thrown at him. Unbelievable. Lance should start suing these bastards for defamation. | ||
| Kenm123t |
What happens when the French can't stand an American can dominate the tour. Lance made them look sillie for too long. Now they want payback! | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>thoughts?<< I might go and make a sandwich. It's getting cooler of an evening here. That's about it. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>look sillie<< Dude! :-) | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Kenm123t, The only person looking "sillie" here's yourself. It's the U.S. Antidoping Agency, that's after him. Your own people, the French have nothing to do with it. Or are you suggesting that the French have control of an American Quasi-Governmental agency that gets 2/3 of its budget from the US government? Try reading the article before putting the blame on people you dislike. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
The whole thing is sad. What's really jacked is that when he does beat this in court or wherever unless Landis steps up and clears the air his name has still be sullied and I agree he should take the USADA and Landis to court for defamation. this is a quasi-governmental agency which to me means that constitutional protections must be in place. from what I've read they don't really have anything more than Landis pointing a finger. if he was/is doping and has passed all the hundreds of tests thrown at him then he really should not be cycling and should be doing research chemistry.... | ||
| Jaimec |
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| Mnrider |
I want to believe he's innocent but drug use in sports runs high. Some were doing blood transfusions between races. I just don't think they can prove anything. It would be bad for pro cycling for sure. I just rode the MS 150.Two days 150 miles in 94 degree heat and 30 mile headwind  | ||
| Kenm123t |
I didnt say I didnt like the people. The french shot thier bolt and didnt find any thing Jealousy rears its ugly head It appears some think if they can't win with out doping no one can. The jealous and his old team mates that did dope want to take him out as well. What did he take to mask the drugs why didnt the Tour's lab catch him years ago ? Remember when Le Mond was thought to be the first american to with the tour. The comments were " an American will never win the Tour !" He did repeatedly So now years later after he has retired doping is accused again! It couldnt be proved then. Give it up its petty and show the jealousy and hurt pride of the cycling world. I need to look up who is on the anti doping agency and thier funding. Roger Clemens trial is over could they be looking for a job if they have no cases? | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
So what's the point of accusing the French? As you say, the French checked & didn't find anything. Now it's your own countrymen hounding the poor bastard, how is that the French's fault? You seem to be vilifying the French for something that's being dragged up by your own agency on the word of another of your countrymen. Where do the French come in to this? the issue has been dealt with here. They've already given it up, you said it yourself, they had their shot. I just can't follow your reasoning. | ||
| Kenm123t |
We think of the cycling community as french controlled They have the international organization that most of cycling is governed by. They also seem to be the most vocal in the hounding of Armstrong Since his team mates were found to be doping. Why would a US agency be after him for something that happened out of country and is nearing the its statuary limits in any case. If they didnt recieve pressure to persue the case. The Clemens case was about perjury over doping not doping directly It should have never went to trial. In Armstrongs case where is the pressure to go after him from he is a hero here. Who hates him ? | ||
| Gixxer86g |
I think all athletes should be required to take whatever chemicals/drugs they can to be qualified to compete. (Message edited by gixxer86g on June 20, 2012) | ||
| Brumbear |
Hell yeah let em all roid it up!!! I could care less as long as they aint flying a plane I'm in driving a bus I'm on or something that matters.Let em dope it up till it drips outa there arses it don't mean nothing to me. | ||
| Teeps |
Crickets...... | ||
| Boltrider |
I'm negative on this and I have my reasons. Lance was a one-day racer before cancer hit him. He did poorly in all the grand tours through the mid-nineties because he would gas out after a few days. But then he comes back from cancer, leaner and stronger, and goes on to become the greatest Tour de France racer in history, in arguably the dirtiest sport in history. The entire peloton was on the juice and I don't believe in fairy tales, so I can't bring myself to believe Lance was entirely clean. What he did show was that he was the best of the juicers, and if the whole peloton was on drugs, was it really cheating? Also, they did not have reliable testing for EPO and some of these designer steroids until after Lance started winning, circa 1999/2000. Another FYI - Lance had a series of positive tests from 1999, but he claims the samples were tampered with. (Message edited by boltrider on June 20, 2012) | ||
| Boltrider |
Lance should beat these legal challenges and I think it's a ridiculous waste of money on the part of the USADA. It's sad but true that some sports have been taken over by chemistry, and old habits die hard, especially in cycling. I don't think the sport will ever really rid itself of blood doping. | ||
| 7873jake |
The whole USADA spending undetermined amts of money in pursuit of professional athletes to make spectacles of them serves only one purpose: to burn dollars chasing dimes. I found it funny several years ago when they decided to start drug testing on the PGA Tour, in pursuit of performance enhancing drugs. IIRC, when asked about what drugs would/could be considered performance enhancing in golf, the response was something akin to "we aren't sure...so far we've not yet identified any drug that could conclusively be considered performance enhancing" (I paraphrased with artistic liberty but you get the jist). | ||
| Kenm123t |
Jake Tiger says women that are not your wife LOL | ||
| 7873jake |
Serious career crusher, no doubt. I always thought a course of fen-phen or some other high-risk, illegal weight loss drug would be unfair on the Tour. | ||
| Stretchman |
The French have nothing do do with it. That's like saying the EPA has nothing to do with the japanese. Maybe we're all too high on Nitrous to realize, but there's something wrong here. Something wrong with this picture. Newton's third law. When less efficient engines run cleaner than high efficiency lumps, then I'll believe it. } | ||
| Kc10_fe |
Lance should consult with Holder on how to get Obama to invoke Executive Privilege on this. | ||
| Datsaxman |
Pro cycling is incredibly difficult. It is so much harder than most folks think. I run some rather difficult one and two day amateur races in the Sierras, and I know a little about this. Two days of racing in Death Valley this weekend, in fact. A three week Grand Tour? Jacques Anquetil, 5-time TdF champ from the 60's: "You cannot win the Tour on mineral water..." And so it is...still. Every day, the riders are tested, monitored, vitamin supplement injections, antibiotics, massage, and this is by their own team doctors. You could never hope to tell the clean ones from the ones who are doping. Everybody is getting shots and supplements. You cannot eat enough, so in go the vitamins. You cannot stay healthy, so in go the medications. Many riders have TUEs...Therapeutic Use Exemptions. Physician's prescriptions that allow them to get off when they test positive. If you don't know all of this already, you are only guessing who is clean and who is not. If you just think "they" are out to get the cool guy from Texas or whatever, keep on thinking that all you want. Ignore anything you like. Your version will make a better ESPN movie about the clean cut young American overcoming adversity. None of Armstrong's major rivals when he was winning the TdF - 1999 - 2005, EVERY YEAR - NONE OF THEM was clean. Not. One. You want to tell me he was never tested positive? That is false. He was excused, or the test was set aside, or...something each time. TUEs, special circumstances, and the like. You want to tell me Armstrong riding clean beat all of the other best riders in the world when they were doping? I am not a cynical person, but I know too much to believe that for a second. He was genuinely the best rider at the TdF seven years in a row, on a mostly level playing field. His methods changed the game like few ever will. His devotion to the task, his desire, his intensity, were unbelievable. Watching it happen was amazing. But he did what they all did. P.S. This is a different group (USADA), pursuing a different question (did he himself take illegal substances). He is not being tried again for the same thing. No charges have been filed. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
you have actual proof or just your 'inside' knowledge? if no proof then can it and move on. it's wild accusations that landed this conversation here to begin with. there are people that are genetically predisposed to certain things. just because you aren't doesn't make it ok to lay accusations on someone else. your entire post reeks of jealousy | ||
| Jaimec |
Exactly. Drugs didn't give Secretariat the total domination he had over other race horses of his era, genetics did. The autopsy after his death revealed a healthy heart that was almost TWICE the size of a typical thoroughbred. Likewise, I'd heard medical reports of Armstrong in his prime had a resting heartbeat in the TWENTIES. Some people are just genetically gifted, just like some animals. | ||
| Mnrider |
It also comes down to lung size. Some people have much larger lungs and can put more o2 into their blood. No doubt he was the best and strongest rider. Like Dat says it's the toughest sport there is. | ||
| Jaimec |
People seem to think taking steroids is the equivalent of Underdog taking his "Underdog Super Energy Pill." They don't work that way. You still have to push yourself beyond normal human pain limits to build up muscle mass, cardiovascular capability and endurance. Armstrong would never have gotten where he is without dedication, determination, good genetics, and hard work with or without steroids. The man survived cancer, for crying out loud, and is an inspiration for cancer patients all over the world. His foundation raises hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars for cancer research and rehabilitation. Leave him the **** alone already. Sheesh!! | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but admiration for the man & his achievement. The only thing I take issue with here is saying it's all due to the jealous French which is utter bollocks. This brings me nicely to my favourite Armstrong story. Another rider in the tour at one of the riders briefings jokingly said that due to him only having one ball he had an unfair advantage. Armstrong replied that he had no objection to all the other riders giving up one of theirs to even things up. | ||
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