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Ridenusa4l
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On the Cycle world FB page right now they are about to do a shoot out with the ALL the superbikes from what i can see it has all the Jap liters, the BMW, Panigale, AND the 1190RS!!!!!

Now lets just see what that monster can do!!! : D I AM SO EXCITED!!!!!

Jake
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86129squids
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SWEEEEEETTTTT!!!!
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cool now all the other bike need to be equipped with forks and rear suspension and some other key parts that the bike comes with to have that price tag. They should save the test when EBR is selling a bike that is more affordable to the general public
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hahahaha . . . let me guess "cheater bike"?

Too funny
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Spatten1
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just read a couple of articles on the Panigale, which beat out the BMW. If Buell beats that, it's top of the heap, period.
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Boltrider
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Curious as to what the scale reads, particularly versus the Ducati. Expensive suspension pieces aside, the EBR ready-to-ride weight should be about the same whether it's Ohlins or Showa.
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Firstbuell
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

link?
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Ridenusa4l
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 02:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.facebook.com/cycleworld

just go through the picture comments : )

also looks like the new MV is there too!

Jake
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Ridenusa4l
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

also KTM and Aprilia too!

Jake

THIS is going to be INCREDIBLE!!!
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not what I said Court.... you did.lol Should be interesting though for sure
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Crusty
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What kind of suspension does the Panigale have? and what kind of price tag does it carry?

You realize that if the bike I think should win doesn't, then the shootout must be rigged. And if my pick does win, then some other jackass will be crying that it's unfair.

(Message edited by Crusty on May 09, 2012)
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Biffdotorg
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From what I could read in the photos, the EBR bike is not in the "superbike" shootout, but the Exotic shootout the following day.

"EBR on-site for tomorrow's exotic shootout"
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Crusty The Honda,Suzuki,and Kawi are alot more lets say mass produced. Price tag in the 12-13 range. Then you get to the BMW...lil higher yet. tHE ktm fall's in that same area as the BMW price wise. I guess my thoughts are.... the Ducati,KTM R if tested,the MV and the EBR are in my eyes in a league of there own. But hey.... let the cards fall where they must. There really all very very good bikes.
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Cool now all the other bike need to be equipped with forks and rear suspension and some other key parts that the bike comes with to have that price tag. They should save the test when EBR is selling a bike that is more affordable to the general public"


Where do they say they're doing a "Superbike Price to Performance Number Crunching Comparison To See Who Has the Best Bean Counters" article?

that... I want to see which bike is better.


I suppose for that I should just watch the AMA SBK class though... Oh wait... : ).


You're turning into the old Dyna Dana ; ).
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You're turning into the old Dyna Dana .


No way not even close. Still like the Buell brand very much. Just don't see how magazine set up tests. But someone did post that the exotics are being tested separately..... cool beans!!

(Message edited by Bads1 on May 09, 2012)
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I suppose for that I should just watch the AMA SBK class though

Then I guess you're a fan of Yamaha
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No...

I didn't say I always blindly become a fan of whatever bike wins each week. I just think that the best bike wins generally. This year there seems to be a pretty sizable rider advantage on at least one bike so it skews the results a little but whatever.


Anyway... Still can't quite fathom where you're coming from with that stupid comment. Maybe you're saying I only pay attention to whatever I feel supports the way I see how things stack up or something? I don't make my decision as to what bike is best and THEN choose which racing to watch based on which class I think that bike will win. I watch the racing and make a decision based on the evidence. Even then... they don't race street bikes in most cases so it's all for naught in looking at street bikes...
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Ridenusa4l
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 01:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

actually EBR basically does race a street bike...just sayin..

Jake
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M1combat
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 06:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's why I said "in most cases".


Also... I doubt they're stock 1190 RS's. I'm sure they're much closer than their competition... but I doubt they're stock : ).
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Jumbo_petite
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't care how you slice it. This is good stuff. For survival of EBR this is the bike Erik had to build. Now it is having success on the racetrack and I am very confident it will be successful in this comparison. For those of you bitching about the price difference, remember EBR built a race bike with street amenities. Compare the cost of his bike to the price of a customer spec race bike/ or cost of mods to get it to race spec from the big three. My understanding is outside of removing one set of head gaskets, lights and installing the race exhaust and ecm there is not too many other modifications that are being made. Think Ducati 916SPS, 996R, 998R, 999R and 1098R as a similiar comparison.

(Message edited by jumbo petite on May 10, 2012)

(Message edited by jumbo petite on May 10, 2012)
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Spatten1
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 10:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just think it's cool that EBR is doing better than the HD factory effort in the 90's. Those damn things rarely finished races in the first season. EBR is competitive immediately.

Screw HD.
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Firstbuell
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 01:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Screw HD"

I'll say !!

it's not that I'm still upset over 2009 -

it's that in 2012, none of the 3 area H-D dealerships had XL Sportster [tuber] pushrod upper O-rings in stock.....

so my independent shop [sponsor JT&S] must use an independent source for this common, inexpensive - yet vital - rebuild part

grrrr............

(Message edited by firstbuell on May 10, 2012)
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah let's just say the EBR 1190 race bikes are just that race bikes they aren't street bikes and would take a lot of work to make them into 1190RS street bikes. the same goes for the yams htm ducs hondas kawis etc etc etc the street bike versions of the bikes you see on the track are fine and good tend to make plenty of power and are trackable by us mere mortals however do not confuse the showroom bikes with what you see on tv
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"yeah let's just say the EBR 1190 race bikes are just that race bikes they aren't street bikes and would take a lot of work to make them into 1190RS street bikes"

That's not right. Put the turn signals and license plate back on, and you could ride it home. Sure it has a race exhaust and tune, but how many other street bikes ridden every day have the same?

The only differences between the 1190RS on the track and the ones on the street are an exhaust, an ECM, different base gaskets, and a pipe. The turn signal/license plate bracket bolts right back on.
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

mmkay more than just base and head gaskets. rear swing arms rear wheels different drive systems. the list goes on. there is a lot more than meets the eye to the EBR1190 race bikes than just slap DOT approved lights on them and go. they are far from what you seem to think they are.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Huh? Different wheels and swingarm? What bike are you talking about?
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

exactly you are short on factual information. i am speaking about the EBR1190 these are a few of the things I have learned from actually being there.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So you're saying that Danny and Geoff's bikes aren't running the factory hubless wheels? Or are you saying that the team YOU are with isn't running the factory wheels?

This sure looks like the stock wheel to me.


hero
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i am saying very clearly that the race bikes are race bikes not street bikes stripped of their blinkers. what you can see from a PR pic is deceiving you. as it is mearly a pr pic and nothing more. come on down to a race go look very closely at the street bikes on display then come back to the pits and look as closely as you can at the race bikes.

(Message edited by boogiman1981 on May 10, 2012)
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fair enough.
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