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     Sifo |
I don't know exactly what happened. There are some verifiable facts though. Zimmerman stopped his pursuit of Martin and was heading back to his vehicle to meet the police. Either Zimmerman or Martin reestablished contact between them. See my point above. Zimmerman was assaulted and had injuries to face and back of his head. We know this from the police report. Martin, according to the mortician was virtually uninjured except for the fatal bullet wound. The police report stated Zimmerans back was wet and grass stained. Zimmerman stated to police that he was calling for help. This was while still at the scene, not in response to media stories. All of these verifiable facts are consistent with Zimmerman's story and the one witness who actually saw the fight. So far I have read 5 different witness accounts,1 has Martin on top, 2 have Zimmerman on top, and 2 are unsure who was on top. I have to assume that the two you refer to that have Zimmerman on top are the two who only heard it from their kitchen. I've already discussed the fact that they are making assumptions that they have no knowledge of. Please provide links if you want to refute this. It's done like this... http://www.9breakingnews.com/trayvon-martin-what-w itnesses-say
Note that the ONLY thing that contradicts Zimmermans story is what she "FEELS" happened, not what she heard or saw. This is what a witness actually SAW...
We do have Martin's girl friend's story...
The part I highlighted in red is key to her story making Zimmerman out to be the aggressor. The problem is that it is in direct contradiction to the 911 call made by Zimmerman where it is easy to establish that Martin did run and Zimmerman turned around to me the police back at his vehicle. Seriously, is it hard to understand what happened that night with the verifiable facts we know to be true and the witness stories that are aligned with known facts up to what two of them "feel" happened? | ||
| Bandm |
Looks like he is racist, anti white. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-05/new s/os-george-zimmerman-fliers-20120405_1_sherman-wa re-justin-collison-robert-zimmerman George Zimmerman handed out fliers at black Sanford churches a year ago, outraged that a white police lieutenant's son, captured on video sucker-punching a homeless black man, was not arrested on the spot, family members said. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
It appears its getting harder and harder for the racism chasers to mentally masterbate to this very real tragedy. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/us/oklahoma-shooting s/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/04/hea vily_armed_neo-nazis_patrol.php Thanks Revs. All Blame to the Media and race pimps. How many more dead? | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/trayvon-mart in-george-zimmerman-911-call-manipulated-nbc-30925 8 | ||
| Sifo |
New Black Panthers (just like the old Black Panthers) calling for bloodshed. http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/08/N ew-Black-Panthers-Call-For-Race-War-Blood-Shed-Kil l-Crackers-For-Trayvon-April-9th-Day-of-Action This makes it clear to me that they are VERY racist and want to bring down our current form of government. Makes me wonder what side BO is on?  | ||
| Blake |
I was wondering the same thing Tom. Youtube has it up too. I had no idea these bigots were as violently racist and communist as the following excerpts from their recent teleconference recording shows. Truly shocking. Would promoting violence (bloodshed), racism, and hatred not generate a visit from the hate-crime police? The transcript (boldface indicates vocal emphasis by speaker): Transcript of Excerpts from New Black Panther Party (NBPP) teleconference call on April 7th, 2012 with speakers Michelle Williams, the NBPP Tampa chapter Chief of Staff and Chawn Kweli, the National Spokesman of the NBPP. (Message edited by blake on April 09, 2012) | ||
| Sifo |
I'm surprised it hasn't been flagged as inappropriate for YouTube. I would think that calling for killing crackers would violate their use agreements on multiple levels. See what happens I guess. | ||
| Bandm |
YouTube is letting this slide also. | ||
| Orman1649 |
Oh Sifo....it would be racist to take the video down....whitey holdin' down the black man. | ||
| Sifo |
I see that Zimmerman's family is formally asking Eric Holder isn't going after the New Black Panther party leaders who are clearly engaging in hate speech while putting a dead or alive bounty on Zimmerman's head. I wonder what the Black Panthers would do if he was brought in alive?  It will be interesting to see if Holder even acknowledges this. I'd like to hear what he has to say about it all. I fear that race wars may be on the horizon. I also fear that the federal government may wind up doing some very stupid things as a result. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
wait,.... was that Tulsa crime a REVENGE crime against the guy that WALKED from killing his father and a few others ?.... That is pure REVENGE - not racism. | ||
| Cowboy |
I have read most of the last few post, The only racist I can see is a few black leaders who are getting rich off the backs of the poor blacks who are misinformed.(the Black leaders are the most racist in America) | ||
| Hootowl |
It wasn't AGAINST the guy that killed his father and got 6 years for it, it was against seemingly random people who had the audacity to be black. That's a hate crime my friend. Or maybe just really really bad aim. | ||
| Thumper74 |
According to the radio, an unoccupied police car was shot six times this morning in the neighborhood where it happened. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
as they say on the farm. Never stick your pecker into a hornets nest to see if they are home. .... They will whip this into a ferver that ain't been since the Rodney King Riots | ||
| 2734 |
http://www.fox23.com/mostpopular/story/Rev-Al-Shar pton-plans-to-visit-Tulsa/3JzgoD3-gU6ZEf9Q7vfM2w.c spx I guess since yesterday was a flop in Sanford this ••••••• is flying into my town to see if he can stir the pot and pick up a check... | ||
| Blake |
Forty days after the incident, Mr. Zimmerman has been charged with 2nd degree murder. | ||
| Moxnix |
Most trouble is caused by people interfering. ~Russian proverb | ||
| Cowboy |
It sure looks like the state of Florida has laided down and whimped out, even after the black panthers has called for blood and the death of white people. | ||
| Reepicheep |
It stinks. And to make it worse, he is UNLIKELY to get a fair trial from any department Eric Holder runs (a horrible thing for me to type, and I wish to God I didn't believe it, but I do). His best chance at a fair trial may be a state trial. But jurys can be psycho. If he is telling the truth (and I have seen no credible evidence he isn't), I really feel bad for him. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
Forty days after the incident, Mr. Zimmerman has been charged with 2nd degree murder sure does look like the South is a little slow in getting things done, doesn't it? | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Sort of fitting that a registered democrat minority would be pre judged and convicted by fellow democrat minorities. | ||
| Thumper74 |
I sort of wonder if the charges are bending to public pressure. Sort of going 'through the motions', at which point he is acquitted or found not guilty. Assuming he doesn't post bail, this could protect him as well as extinguish the flames for the time being. I don't see second degree murder requisites being met. They have to prove that the story didn't go as he said and 'dead men tell no tales'. | ||
| Reepicheep |
He is in a terrible situation, which I suppose ought not to be a suprise. I'm going for my concealed carry license class this weekend. I've thought a lot about it. If I ever do choose to carry, my assumption will be if that gun is ever pulled from the holster, I have at least a years worth of legal headaches in front of me, and probably more, no matter what the circumstances are or no matter how well or badly things go. It's going to be a challenge getting a fair and skilled jury. What's the difference between someone who volunteers to do a "neighborhood watch" and somebody who is a paid "community organizer"? | ||
| Oldog |
What's the difference between someone who volunteers to do a "neighborhood watch" and somebody who is a paid "community organizer"? The watchman is a servant ( volunteer ) Paid organizer, is not I wonder if Thump has it right, I caught a blip that has been removed that said Martins mother said "its been a terrible mistake" I am not sure that they can make the murder2 charge stick from what I have read so far, so a lengthy trial and an acquittal would help diffuse the situ, E.Holder has some splainin' to do about guns and mexico IMO he needs to stay home and mind his biz....} | ||
| Hootowl |
"so a lengthy trial and an acquittal would help diffuse the situ" Doubt it. See Rodney King. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
does Flordia use the gas chamber,the electric chair, or lethal injection? | ||
| Sifo |
It's going to be a challenge getting a fair and skilled jury. A jury is always a scary thing. Keep in mind that on any given jury, it is likely that 4 of the 12 think 9-11 was an inside job. That really makes me wonder about a jury being able to reach a correct conclusion based on evidence before them. I sort of wonder if the charges are bending to public pressure. There is no wondering necessary. It was due to public pressure that the case was reopened. It's not like new evidence pointing to the guilt of Zimmerman came up. It's nothing but simple appeasement of those threatening, and in some cases already, carrying out violence. This is not justice. I sort of wonder if the charges are bending to public pressure. Sort of going 'through the motions', at which point he is acquitted or found not guilty. Once the ball is in motion, it becomes very difficult to stop. The jury will ultimately be responsible for doing the right thing in this case. Please see above. This trial is likely to be a public dog and pony show. I know I would not feel safe delivering a not-guilty verdict in this case if I were a juror. Then there's the pressure of being responsible for any potential riots that may come from a not-guilty verdict. I just don't see the possibility of a fair trial in this case at this point. The best case at this point is that Zimmerman will have his life put on hold and turned upside down/inside out for the next couple of years, and will likely end up with a hung jury. Zimmerman at that point will have had his former life destroyed and will likely have legal fees that are astronomical. Keep in mind that if this can be done to Zimmerman, it can be done to ANY of us. Who remembers what happened with the people in the Hutaree militia case in Michigan? The spent the better part of two years in jail as the trumped up charges against them fell apart. I have to ask one more time... Why did opinion on this case divide along politically ideological lines? I think it's safe to say that the reason for that demonstrates quite well that this isn't about justice. | ||
| Hootowl |
If I were vetting a jury, I would ask whether they believe the moon landings were faked, and whether they believe 9/11 was an inside job. I would strike all those who answered in the affirmative. |
