I guess the average distance is under 5 yards when it comes to self defense. I figure if I can hit the target most of the time at 25 yards when it's moving, I'll hit it at least once up close initially.
I still need practice, that's why I went out there to begin with. I'm confident that I can hit someone breaking into my home though.
The 14 year old just scored a consecutive 41 and a 42 (5 rounds inside a penny at 50 feet). Of course he will have to ask his attacker to hold still while he puts on his shooting jacket and straps up the gun to the jacket....
You need to stop shooting into the same hole. The BG won't even feel it passing through him any more! Spread it around and open up some different wounds!
Marksman: Position: Standing, two hands. Distance: 15 feet. Target: Paper plates or paper disks (nine-inch diameter). Time: No restrictions. Rating Requirements: Acquire 10 plates with10 shots on each plate. All shots must be inside a one and a half-inch margin from the edge of the plate. The 10 plates do not have to be fired in succession or on the same day.
^^ That I can probably (well, maybe) do, but 5 rounds inside a penny at 50 feet (17 yards)? Nope. I have pretty decent vision (20/10) and can see the holes quite clearly at 25 yards, but actually hitting it inside a penny for me would not happen without some serious stabilization aid.
Just out of curiosity, where did that (50 ft/ penny) come from? I'm relatively new to "sport" shooting and all of the rules surrounding it. The target I posted above was at roughly 25 yards with medium wind and was obviously not stable like what you'd get on a closed range.
Maybe on my next trip out to the farm I'll try some closer range shooting.
Just out of curiosity, where did that (50 ft/ penny) come from? I'm relatively new to "sport" shooting and all of the rules surrounding it. The target I posted above was at roughly 25 yards with medium wind and was obviously not stable like what you'd get on a closed range.
I was having fun when I said it... he did absolutely do that, but as hinted at in the description, it was in a prone position, shooting a .22 target rifle, wearing a shooting jacket, on a shooting pad, with a shooting glove, with the rifle strap clipped into the shooting jacket. The uber-setup for uber-accuracy. It was with iron sights though (front and rear aperture), it was at 50 feet, and to get a score of 41 and 42 he put each of 5 shots inside the 8 ring or better (5 shots times 8 points is 40 points for the target).
The size of the rings varies linearly with the distance being shot. A 500 yard target 9 ring circle is several inches across. A 50 foot 9 ring circle is smaller than a penny. At 50 feet, the X ring (10) is literally the same diameter as a .22 bullet.
I believe (but don't know for sure) the pistol targets have a different baseline scale. They vary the same way though.
The idea (not entirely accurate, but not entirely wrong) is to try and normalize things off. So if you "missed" your target by one degree, you get the same score at 50 feet as you would at 500 yards, as it was the same error. That part is right. What is different, is that things like bullet drop, bullet accuracy problems, and wind effects are nearly non existent at 50 feet, but can move the bullet several feet at 500 yards.
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Reep HIGH POWER there are scholarships in the NCAA Mountaineers have full ride for shooting team!
Shhhh!!!! I have four kids that are gonna need to go to college... and they are all good shots. Don't tell potential competition!
(you are dead on though... out of 30 kids in a graduating group of competitors, 10% got full scholarships to great colleges... try that in football...)
The club running this juniors group requires you to progress completely through prone before sitting, completely through sitting before standing, etc.
It looks like the NRA recommends developing all in parallel. A better approach for sure, but problematic for limited instructors, facilities, and time slots. Ben gets to shoot 15 rounds a week, all for score. No sighting rounds, and 3 coaches for about 8 shooters at a time. So they are probably doing it right for the resources they have.
I wish I could do it... but the "grown up" small bore guys are... well... a little psycho about how much they are willing to spend and how seriously they take it.
I want a "bowling league" type competition... like bullseye pistol, but with a no hard feelings $600 claiming rule at the end of each match (just enough to get you a reasonable .45 with a cheap set of sights).
Ahh, I missed the part about using the 22 rifle. That would make it a little easier, especially in the prone position. Either way, very good shooting.
At the present time, I'm more concerned with hitting a moving target, so I guess I need to set up an automated track that will make the target move on it's own. It won't be happening any time soon though, too much work to get done.
reep get him the matching air rifle for practice at home. Call Homer at Champions Choice and ask him to be gentle with your credit card. Can you get him to a High power club they will have ammo and guns for him through the DCM program. Get him ready take him to Camp Perry in Aug and get him in the Whistler Boy match he will be coached by Marine instructors or Army marksmanship unit coaches he will love it
Pistol Shooters want alibi refires due to glare off the water causing vison problems
Small Bore shooter declare a Range protest want puddle drained and want the match postponed till the humidity is down thier glasses are fogging
Hi power shooter walks up to the firing point see the puddle slings in a couple of notches tighter then lays down in the puddle and starts shooting.
Small bore guys are into lots of wind widgets flags streamers and Secret ammo sizers and nobody ever heard of Wonder ammo
We tease them telling them they have small boring minds and have no humility they do not reload their own ammo. Many matches are lost weeks earlier at the reloading bench.
Dean, Those holes still let the perps check out the home shopping channel. Let's face it, you live in MO. The thief already suspects he may get shot. I don't want them to know I have a gun till I'm on target. Make the wife happy. I hung blinds in my doghouse.
I need to invent an "its the indian, not the arrow" fun league.
Every match would include a claiming rule. At the end of the match, anyone can purchase any gun used to compete for $500 with no hard feelings (meaning you would never bring a gun worth more than $400 to compete... so worst case you just made a $100 profit and can go buy a new gun).
Or, everyone brings a gun, and a box of 50 rounds for it, and lays it on a table with an empty breach indicator in place. Each gun is then assigned a number.
Shortly before the match starts, you draw a random number from a hat. After a brief orientation from the owner of the gun on how to secure and load the weapon, you use that gun to complete the round, then put it back on the table.
We need a place where a nice reliable (but non match) gun like a CZ-82 can compete and be fun.
Actually, the second (random gun assignment) would be really neat. You would be forced to adapt to lots of different types of weapons, and get experience using a lot of neat guns.
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I didn't realize you live in ill noise. Just had a discussion about carrying/transporting a weapon over there with a guy here at work. I doubt I'll be coming over to that side of the river any time soon. Getting caught carrying over there would land you in the clink asap. I also just found out that I don't need a concealed carry license if I keep the gun (loaded even) in the car over here. Apparently the castle law doctrine extends to your vehicle or there's a law close enough to allow me to keep it in my car for self defense. Not that I ever plan on getting into a situation that requires me to have a gun, but it's nice knowing I can legally shoot back if I'm in my car. Makes it a little bit more even for those drive-by shootings. Gotta love the inner city areas and downtown STL, but I sure am glad I don't live there myself.
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Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon [business] premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state.
Deadly Force Laws Missouri Revised Statutes Chapter 563 Defense of Justification 563.026. Justification generally. 563.031. Use of force in defense of persons. <-- I assume this is everyone being threatened by a BG. 563.032. Battered spouse syndrome evidence that defendant acted in self-defense or defense of another-- procedure. 563.036. Use of physical force in defense of premises. 563.041. Use of physical force in defense of property. 563.046. Law enforcement officer's use of force in making an arrest. 563.051. Private person's use of force in making an arrest. <-- Never made a citizen's arrest, interesting concept though. 563.056. Use of force to prevent escape from confinement. <-- Does confining my spouse count? :P 563.061. Use of force by persons with responsibility for care, discipline or safety of others. 563.070 Accidents an excuse for crime, when.
Ourdee, is referring to the the aptly named 21 Foot Rule. So make sure you are aware of distance to target, inside 7 yards with a holstered firearm you'd better have other defense options.
Reep, sounds fun. May I suggest a five round familiarization then the 50 round shoot, or is the possible randomness of the first few rounds part of the challenge?
