| Author | Message | ||
     Unique_id |
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/erik-buell-ra cing-considering-250cc-learner-bike/ | ||
| 86129squids |
"complement the 1190RS" "round out the product line Umm, hunnh? Hey Court! I'm reminding you to tell us...  | ||
| Froggy |
Remember, this is the same site that spread fake press releases saying Erik Buell Racing started a new company with BRP. Assholes and Rubber is better name for the site. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Now that's hardly a fair description of them. They aren't exactly real critical with checking the reliability of their sources sometimes, but they have generally been Buell and Erik Buell Racing friendly. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I am sure they have considered and are still considering many things. | ||
| Hootowl |
In the grand tradition of BadWeb, I offer my speculation as to the future of all things motorcycle from Erik Buell. A small learner bike doesn't seem to fit with Erik Buell Racing's racing roots nor its current marketing strategy. I'd love to see massive market penetration by Erik Buell Racing, and have no doubt they'd be successful, but I have serious doubts that they're angling to get into this market segment at this particular time. | ||
| Fast1075 |
If they do build one....I want serial number 000001. | ||
| D_adams |
Why not a small learner bike? Ninja 250's seem to sell well and can be raced. Excellent gas mileage to boot. Build it small, light and "cheap" ($$) to capture market share. | ||
| Chauly |
http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/hyosung-gt2 50r-review This was a pretty decent bike to ride. | ||
| Barker |
"Several sources have now confirmed that Erik Buell Racing is considering making a 250cc learner-style motorcycle" Really? "considering" I'm sure Erik and crew have considered alot of things. Why is this news? Rotax does not make a 250cc 4 stroke mill. Right? | ||
| Kcfirebolt |
Moto 3 will be 250 four strokes right? Have you ever seen a Moriwaki 250? What a fantastic little race bike. Heck, 250 racing is even gaining a little ground here in the Midwest. The fast guys and gals love'em. They say it makes racing fun again by limiting the cost and the stakes. An Erik Buell Racing Moto3 bike would be terrific. | ||
| Kcfirebolt |
http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/moriwaki-md25 0h-vs-aprilia-rs125-shootout-89190.html | ||
| Hootowl |
You guys are missing a major point. They said LEARNER bike, not 250 race bike. | ||
| Froggy |
Yes because you can't change the handlebars and muffler on a learner bike... | ||
| Hootowl |
Erik Buell Racing doesn't appear to be building "if you modify it enough you can race it competitively" bikes. They appear to be in it to win it. That means any 250 they produce will be easily trackable and competitive. That doesn't sound like a learner bike to me. Wrong cams. Wrong ergonomics. | ||
| Chauly |
You can learn on a race bike... Two weeks ago, I had the pleasure of riding a JEWEL of a bike, a Honda NC-30, sometimes known as a VFR400R. This is a 400 V-4, putting out about 60-65 rwhp. Aside from the high gearing that made starting out an exercise in clutch slip, once it was rolling it was magic. The owner (recent purchase) described it as "carved from a solid block of Awesome", and I'd have to sgree. It was tractable, smooth, tight, telepathic steering, amazing lean angles. The only drawback about this as a "beginner bike" would have been the cost (about the same as the equivalent CBR-600). It was only a couple of clicks down from a race bike. Now, I've mentioned the Supermono as an example of out-of-the-box thinking to have a single produce lots of power without destroying itself; the same idea could be applied to a 250. It would probably produce 38 to 45 hp, have a curb weight under 325 lb., and by replacing various bits with CF and Ti, drop the weight for racing. The secret will be in the motor: build it hot for racing, then soften it to live on the street. I don't think you can go the other way. Ergos are equally easy to change for street versus racing. I'm just sayin'...  | ||
| Froggy |
Yes because you can't change the handlebars and cams on a learner bike. It takes more than 5 minutes to convert a RS from street to track duty too. Absolutely nothing is publicly known about this bike. | ||
| Hootowl |
Right. Which is why I said I was going to speculate. That's all it is. No need to get feathers ruffled. Do the rules for the class allow cam swaps? The article says it's a rider class friendly starter bike. In my mind, that rules it out as a competitive racer without extensive modification. Could Erik Buell Racing build a competitive 250? Absolutely. Is it the one this article describes? I doubt it. | ||
| Hootowl |
Feel like I need to emphasize "rider class", and not just "starter bike". The two aren't the same. | ||
| Ulynut |
I call B.S. This comes out the same time an article appears in Motorcyclist about H.D. selling ATK 250's and using them in Riders Edge classes. Fishy | ||
| 86129squids |
Someone on CL here locally has what looks like a clapped-out viffer 400, but it's not the R/RC30 model- I'd LOVE to have one of those around here...    | ||
| Fast1075 |
An old friend has a VRT-250 in his collecton...it is a complete hoot to ride. | ||
| Nik |
spy shot! http://flic.kr/p/9EM5CU | ||
| Boltrider |
Hootowl said:
Anyone catch that? That's a funny play on words right there. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
If Erik and the Elves do anything else down the line let it be a Rotax 450-650 cc SuperMoto or Adventure bike. WOW! | ||
| Etennuly |
Uh.....wasn't the Blast a profitable venture nearly from it's beginning? Perhaps they will build one to sell to HD for the Riders Edge programs and such. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Not out of the question. One of the bikes that Erik admired most "back in the day" was the Honda Super Cub. According to Wiki "...the best-selling motor vehicle in history." Why not? G | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
Etennuly- Actually the Buell LOST money on EVERY blast they sold, becuase of the outrageous cost that HD invoked on them for the engine and everything....it was the best selling bike for Buell but it was also one of the its life suckers. Jake | ||
| Hootowl |
I thought it was the XB HD was hiding losses in by overcharging Buell for engines. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
If Harley gave E-B-R a contract to build trainers... my opinion would go up a little for H-D |
