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Buellifer
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Quote...

MADE IN USA
Assembled in USA - with parts from China (that may be the other way around)
Made in China

I was school shopping with my wife and daughter and the second quote I will do if I can find the MADE IN USA on the label. Many of New Balance shoes are made in USA with imported materials buying those over Nike is keeping Americans in a job. Not to mention a lot of their shoes made outside the U.S. are made in Taiwan and not China. Not that it is any better but to avoid China I'd by them.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Common scheme among thieves in the Dallas area is to cruise around with what appears to be a lawn service rig (a truck and trailer with some lawn equipment) while they case neighborhoods. When they find a target, they stop and act like they are working; tough for passers-by to notice that they are actually thieves stealing lawn equipment, tools, and other concealable goods (guns, money, jewelry). Some have even been known to do legitimate lawn care work. It's a major crime problem.

College graduates are MUCH less likely to be thieves. Not sure how that fact is laughable. It's truth.

So what Matt (Pwnzor) is saying is absolutely 100% valid. It sure isn't racist to do the right thing and demand that folks you hire are in the country legally.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>> Vise Grip made in China

Had heard that unfortunate news. All mine are Made in USA. I won't purchase any that are made in China.

>>> Craftsman made in China

That is highly misleading, as is the lame as usual wikipedia article which states only that "Many newer tool designs are now imported, mostly from China." All of my Craftsman tools (sockets, wrenches, screw drivers, and more) are Made in USA.


>>> Briggs & Stratton made in Japan

The wikipedia (highly suspect quality) article that you reference clearly states that Briggs and Stratton single cylinder mower engines are made in the USA.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When it comes to tools, if they are "Made in China" I just won't purchase them. Made in Japan is fine as is made in Taiwan, or Germany, or England (bought some chisels recently that were made in England) or the Czech Republic, or Mexico, just none from China.
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Drkside79
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just as an FYI I've seen plenty of stuff from China stamped with Made in the USA. I used to buy repair parts. Companies will by 99% of product from China then mill one detail and stamp it.
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Drkside79
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On another note the obscene amount of money we owe China coupled with the amount of business we send them may be the only reason they don't attack us or at least oppose us at every turn.

Oh and as an FYI I would say China is the only country that could hand us our asses if they wanted to.

Just a thought
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Nukeblue
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

nice post dennis! i need to pay more attention to that
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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>>> Craftsman made in China

That is highly misleading, as is the lame as usual wikipedia article which states only that "Many newer tool designs are now imported, mostly from China." All of my Craftsman tools (sockets, wrenches, screw drivers, and more) are Made in USA.




It isn't misleading, it is true. Go to Sears and take a look, some stuff is made in China, some in USA. I've seen them have the cheapo socket sets next to the expensive ones. Only difference I can see is country of origin and the price, but it wouldn't surprise me if the American ones can hold up to more abuse.

Regarding tools, if it is something I will only use once or twice, I'll probably save the money and buy Chinese. Something I know I will get use out of I make sure to buy a quality product, but I don't limit myself to American.
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Bandm
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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>>> Briggs & Stratton made in Japan

The wikipedia (highly suspect quality) article that you reference clearly states that Briggs and Stratton single cylinder mower engines are made in the USA.




The Briggs & Stratton premier line, the Vangaurd V Twin, is made in Japan. I work on these a couple times a month and they are marked made in Japan.

You can't tout a brand as made in USA if only some of their products are, that's misleading.

Check out Knipex for plier type tools, made in Germany, very good.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

designed, created, and forged from American company.... built in China because of cost...

Nothing else on the market like it


glad I got it before they closed their doors due to the economy.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've yet to see a push mower with a v-twin or any dual cylinder engine. The push mower engines are all made in USA, as I stated.





Frank it is highly misleading in that it paints a picture of "most" not "some" as you correctly state.
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We will be picking up a Snapper mower once our "freebie" takes its final dump... any time now.
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Frank it is highly misleading in that it paints a picture of "most" not "some" as you correctly state.




I can't tell you for sure if it qualifies or not as "most" or enough for just a "some", but there is a good quantity of stuff from either country.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know that American isnt a race, but lets quit being silly - here in America (where most of us on this board are from), what nationality are many of the lawn care workers?
Come on, dont be naive about this.
It was a racist comment.


"College graduates are MUCH less likely to be thieves. Not sure how that fact is laughable. It's truth. "
Oh I dont doubt that fact Blake, BUT its still laughable that someone trusts someone more because they graduated college. There have been LOADS of felons who were college graduates.
Hell, the Unabomber got a degree from Harvard.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will grant you that they are less likely to be thugs, car jackers and quickee store robbers.... but the Wall Street and TARP fiasco was all entirely too much HYP
(Harvard, Yale, Princeton)
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What race are the college educated American workers he has hired to mow his lawn? I don't know, but it is a fair assumption that they are Hispanic, given the overwhelmingly monoracial (I may have made up a word there) makeup of the lawn care industry. I read it as him hiring Americans, and not illegal aliens, not that he was hiring whites vs. Hispanics.

I'll try reading it again with my race-bait colored glasses on and see what happens.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Folks may not realize this, but whites are a minority in Texas, and the vast majority of Hispanics here are indeed Americans, and have been for generations, probably longer than many white families.

One could make the accusation (I'm not) that by hearing "white" when someone says "American", you are the racist.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hoot - he said 'made in the USA' in his post.You just said "I read it as him hiring Americans, and not illegal aliens"
And youre right on the first part for sure - that by 'made in the USA' that he is hiring Americans. Made in the USA (or USA soil) = American.
But, American does not equal Made in the USA.

But I am sure that you understand that someone can be here legally and not an American. Im going to assume you dont think anyone born in another country but currently residing here is an 'illegal alien'

And no, I do not think white = american at all. I understand that there are whites in many other countries, European mostly, but not limited to Europe - South Africa, Australia etc.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 10:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know the percentage of lawn care workers who are in the country illegally. I'm betting it is pretty high though. After all, that is the argument against deporting all the illegals right? Who would mow our lawns? That's not my argument, I mow my own lawn. That's the left's argument. So even the lefties think the lawn folks are illegal aliens. is that racist of them? : )

"I understand that there are whites in many other countries"

My point was that not all Americans are white, not that not all whites are American, and that in Texas, a majority of them are not white.

(Message edited by hootowl on August 31, 2011)
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Blackm2
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jesus mows my lawn.
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Blackm2
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 11:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With a Craftsman mower.
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Whistler
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Got lucky and bought a bunch of soaker hoses from Home Depot yesterday. Made in the USA by Gilmour. Fellow at Home Depot says they generally get 150-200 soaker hoses in at a time (random) and they sell out within a few hours. I try to buy US made products but I've been trying to find new soakers for weeks and frankly in this instance I would have bought them even if not US made. Still trying to save the foundation and trees while conserving as much water as possible. 30% chance of rain later this week. We're all pretty excited about that.
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Drkside79
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I used to landscape i was legal. I made more money.

Some of my coworker not even close. Every one of them were good hard working people that I would never dream of turning in.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

First, define "good". Second where they illegally in the country, meaning criminals?


We cannot pick and choose, we either have a nation that is governed by the rule of law or we don't. The problem with some is that they prefer a nation governed by what they feel is just. FAIL! Totalitarianism on the rise.
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Drkside79
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well by good i mean pleasant, hard working, busting their asses to learn English, all around better people than the average American.
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B00stzx3
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Plenty of American made products to be found online as posted before. I'll spend more and sleep better knowing I'm not contributing to Chinese sweatshops and child slave labor.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>> all around better people than the average American.

Such a dim view of the average American. How disgusting. :/

Last I looked, average Americans speak English and didn't illegally gain entry into the country.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

dear BlackM2,
You bastard, I just made an ass out of myself because of your post. Am sitting in B&N about to do homework and literally L O L'd because of your comments
Bravo dude, great replies, funny as crap!

Sincerely
HMP
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 08:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the walked across an imaginary line in the sand with no sign, no patrol, no enforcement, and were paid to do it....

how often will your neighbor come to use your wife before you tell him that he cant ?
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Bandm
Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Labor Secretary Hilda Solis says her SUV is made in America. Nope, Canada.
By Ed O'Keefe

The Labor Secretary Hilda Solis on Wednesday drove herself into a bit of ditch — not literally, but politically — by claiming that her new government-issued SUV signals her support for American workers.

Problem is, the SUV is made in Canada with Canadian-made parts.

Speaking at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, Solis said “The Bullet” — her nickname for the silver, lightweight Chevrolet Equinox — is designed to “send a signal that we are for supporting our American workers, [and] American made products.” (See the video above.)

But veteran Washington whisperer Paul Bedard made a few phone calls and discovered that General Motors assembles the vehicle at two Canadian plants. Demand is so high for the Equinox that it’s hiring more workers — in Canada.

In Solis’s defense, GM profits are of course returned to and enjoyed in the United States. And in today’s global economy, it’s almost impossible to determine how “American” a car is.

“Most cars built in the U.S., for example, are assembled using at least some parts that come from somewhere else,” Patrick Olsen, editor in chief of Cars.com told USA Today in June.

The Equinox is also on the General Service Administration’s approved list of vehicles that federal agencies can lease.

“Modern automobile manufacturing is a global industry and General Motors is a company whose reach extends far beyond the boundaries of the United States,” Labor Department spokesman Carl Fillichio said in response to Solis’s comments. “Cars assembled here in the U.S. are made from globally sourced parts, just as cars assembled in other countries utilize parts made in America.

“Not only is the Equinox the second fastest selling SUV in America – a good sign for the overall health of the U.S. auto industry – 66 percent of its parts were made in the United States. That’s up from about 50 percent just a few years ago.”

True, but Solis’s statement couldn’t have come at a worse time: The Obama administration official chiefly responsible for worrying about American jobs and the American worker brags about a product made by American workers when it clearly isn’t. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate is stagnant, American manufacturing is struggling, and Solis’s boss, President Obama, is trying to schedule a big speech on job creation.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/po st/labor-secretary-hilda-solis-says-her-suv-is-mad e-in-america-nope-canada/2011/08/31/gIQAsPIksJ_blo g.html
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