| Author | Message | ||
     T9r |
Is the bike light weight, check. Is the bike powerful, check. Is the bike fast, check. Is it race ready, check. Is it stylish, check. I have been a long time fan (way before the fan) of the Buell motorcycle, the company and their passion. I still love what the company has created and am glad to see that it is still surviving. Unfortunately I will in no way be able to afford a $40k motorcycle... nor could I barely see paying $20k for one (I guess that is my break point). The things I loved specifically about the Buell design in the past decades: -Low maintenance (2 cylinders, 1 throttle body fuel injected, no valve adjustments, no drive chain to oil, no drive belt adjustment, limited fluids to change out and recently no reset of the TPS). Essentially the bikes were just about changing the oil/trans fluid, tires, and fuel. -Interchangeable parts between models and upgrades from newer models. It is not that I don't know how to do these maintenance actions, the point is that it takes time to do them, which is time that I should be out riding the machine, because otherwise I would own a fleet of Ducati motorcycles.  So until the new model bikes have no periodic valve maintenance, are belt driven (I might be able to handle a chain...nah) and under $20k, then they are just not for me. Despite what I have written above, I still will hold onto my S3T and XB12R performing minimal prescribed maintenance, repair as needed and possible look to acquire another. Best wishes on the new 1190 series venture. | ||
| Union_man |
20K is my break point too. I would pay thet for a Sport Tourer or Adventure bike with bags and travel capable. (Message edited by union_man on June 22, 2011) | ||
| Drkside79 |
Yeah me too. Also that would be pushing it for a non touring bike with lots of bells an whistles. To be honest at this time i wouldn't even pay 20k for a 1190. Fact of the matter is i would never be able to utilize it enough for the price to be worth it. I don't race and i live in areas where that bike would land me in hot water with the law. | ||
| Court |
>>>they are just not for me. And neither was Ford looking for the "everyday Joe" when they did the GT-40 nor Porsche when they did the Carrara GT. Those products were required to be "production" in order to compete. When your name is Erik Buell RACING . . the first stone you lay must be a production based racer. Although few long time Buell aficionados will own one . . . we will all (speaking only for myself) have the great pleasure of seeing the Elves show off what they can do with the leash off. The 1190RS has, even in early tests, gone places that Ducati, Yamaha and Honda, constrained by committees, have only dreamed of. Good news is . . . they will be early buyers for several 1190RS units. I suspect we'll see some exciting things. | ||
| Drkside79 |
>>>>>I suspect we'll see some exciting things. I suspect that is an accurate statement. I truly look forward to seeing one of the 1190s in person. They are just too rich for my blood at this time in life. If i win the lotto tonight one of my first actions will be to send $45k to Erik Buell Racing. However that is a pipe dream.... In reality I hope to see moderately priced bikes in the future. | ||
| Crusty |
FUTURE MODELS RX SX AX I sure hope one of them is as pretty as that 8 valve Norge (Message edited by Crusty on June 22, 2011) | ||
| Froggy |
While the maintenance schedule for the 1190RS is not publicly know, one of the reasons I love my 1125R is that it needs less maintenance than my XB, and a LOT less maintenance than an older XB. I'll have to dig it up, I made a detailed post comparing the maintenance, and the 1125r wins by a land slide. The XB would spend WAY more time in the shop, the 1125 has less frequent major services. | ||
| T9r |
Froggy, That would be interesting to see the chart. There is prescribed and then necessary maintenance. I'd like to see where that falls out on the chart. I see valve adjustment as a "time consumer" and necessary to the machine running efficiently, which is not necessary on the XB engine. Time is valuable and there is not much of it. Court--Likewise if I could afford the $45k sportbike, I would, but I'm more in the $12k range and $20k for a sport touring machine. I constrain myself by maintenance schedules in my purchases of just about everything. I am married so I ignored it in that case, granted not a purchase but a major commitment. | ||
| Greatnorthrider |
"-Low maintenance (2 cylinders, 1 throttle body fuel injected, no valve adjustments, no drive chain to oil, no drive belt adjustment, limited fluids to change out and recently no reset of the TPS). Essentially the bikes were just about changing the oil/trans fluid, tires, and fuel." Exactly TR9! This is the reason I was taken with the ULY. | ||
| Xl1200r |
The biggest difference in maintenance between an 1125 and an XB is that the XBs need more frequent fork maintenance. I'd say it all evens out. | ||
| Davegess |
The 1190RS is not an "affordable" bike by any definition and it was not intended to be. It is a showcase and a race winner. When Erik puts his mind to doing something and has the resources he does it all the way. When he is ready to build a mass produced "affordable" bike he will knock your collective socks off. Relax, many more exciting things to come. It took 30 years to get here; it will take longer than 20 months for the new company to really get moving. Many thought this Buell thing was dead a year and a half ago, now are complaining that the bike is not what they want???? Go figure. | ||
| Court |
>>>When he is ready to build a mass produced "affordable" bike he will knock your collective socks off. That's an accurate statement. | ||
| Tpoppa |
I love my 1125R is that it needs less maintenance than my XB, and a LOT less maintenance than an older XB. I think that depends how you look at it. XB maintenance was simple DIY. A couple hand tools and a manual and you could adjust the clutch in 15 minutes. The valve adjust on the 1125 is more than many home mechanics are willing to attempt. I've owned both, maintenance is a bigger concern on the 1125. That said, high hp = valve adjustments. Hydraulic lifters need no valve adjustment, but there is definitely a performance limit. | ||
| Honolulu_blue_esq |
Many thought this Buell thing was dead a year and a half ago, now are complaining that the bike is not what they want???? I don't think anyone is saying they don't want the bike. I think everyone is saying they can't afford the bike. } | ||
| Davegess |
they can't afford the bike All Erik needs is 100 folks who do. | ||
| Ezblast |
Heck yeah - that's why God invented lotto tickets! EZ | ||
| Drkside79 |
Wow I'm starting to think i have been misunderstood. I love that bike. I drip with envy for those that get one. It is a great machine with top end parts. However as i said even if it were half the price i would have a hard time justifying it. That does not mean i begrudge Erik Buell Racing or any one who buys it, I am happy for all involved. I look forward to future Buell purchases. This just won't be one of them. That being said if someone wants to let me take it for a quick spin i will be more than happy to.....  | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
just because I can't afford a 'vette doesn't mean I can't drool over it and drive a camaro | ||
| Hootowl |
You'd better not drool on my Vette.  | ||
| Froggy |
I will have to disagree with you there. After about a dozen attempts, I still have not successfully adjusted a XB clutch. Every time I try, it just got worse and worse. Don't have that problem on the 1125R. Same deal with the Primary chain, every time I touched that, it got worse and worse. Don't have that problem on the 1125. Best part is, there are less service intervals on the 1125, so I spend more time riding and less time in the shop. Hell the old XB's wanted you to change the oil and play with things every 2500 miles! At least the 5000 on later models is more reasonable, the 6213 miles between service on the 1125 wins out. I did have both my 1125's at the shop last month for the 12,000 mile valve check, neither bike needed adjustment, and the total cost for both bikes was less than the 10k service on a XB. | ||
| Blake |
Dude. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Who's getting duded? | ||
| Damnut |
Froggy if you can't adjust the clutch on an XB then you have no business turning wrenches......... sorry dude.  | ||
| Ourdee |
I've been drooling over the GT-40 since I was a kid. Only vette I ever wanted was the GTP. The RS is the only uncomfortable bike I want. | ||
| Hootowl |
2500 miles for the oil change was for non-synthetic oil I'll wager. | ||
| T9r |
I just hope that while the engineers are at work, making a cool new package, that they continue to simplify maintenance for the whole package. If maintenance is required than limited time/tools are necessary to complete said task. Selfish request: P.S. no valve adjustments and figure a way that I don't have to mess with chain maintenance | ||
| Tpoppa |
Froggy if you can't adjust the clutch on an XB then you have no business turning wrenches......... sorry dude.  I'm an average mechanic...at best. After the first time, I could adjust the primary and clutch with my eyes closed...just opening them to peek at the manual for the torque specs I put about 40k on 2 XBs so I did that service more than a few times. Never a hiccup. | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
thing that gets me is that the 1190's seat height is 4inches LOWER than the 1125, i LOVE that fact...just one more reason i wish i had 40k to burn Jake | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
You'd better not drool on my Vette I've done worse | ||
| Ratbuell |
Um...have you seen the "pad" on the 1190 seat? THAT'S why it's so much lower, LOL Froggy has trouble with wrenching because its analog stuff, not digital  Yes, 2500 is the spec for dino oil. 5k for Syn3. And if I win the lottery...hell, I'll buy ALL of the 1190s so Erik can go racing as soon as possible!  |
