| Author | Message | ||
     Whisperstealth |
I broke the clutch retaining lip on my primary cover, and do not have the tools to fix it. Both myself and Debuller(who has a broken one as well), are looking to see if anyone is willing to do the repairs. My number is 1-870-955-0725 if you can help. Thanks! Here are a couple of links on how Obiewan, B_I_B and Odie fixed thiers: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/384 2/282980.html http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/483215.html?1249043054 | ||
| Joel9 |
same thing happened to me, i just replaced my cracked primary with a new one a few weeks ago, would like to get the cracked one repaired. mind if i jump in on your repair search? (Message edited by joel9 on June 01, 2011) | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Nope not at all Joel, the more the kinda sorta better. It sucks that these breaks are happening, but the more we pull together, the more likely someone will step up to the plate to repair them for those that can't do it themselves. I really think Odie over at spec-ops will be able to help us out. It's homecoming weekend in East Troy, WI. He might be there / on his way there. Or just plain busy  I know a lot of people are on there way to Homecoming, wish I was one of them! For me it's just really crappie timing. My belt went a month back,causing me to miss a run on the bike, and next week I'm supposed to be on a run as well. | ||
| Gunut75 |
I have a mill, and the capability to make the plates. The downside is that I wont be back at work until Monday. I can get the bolt pattern and hole size from my bike. BIG QUESTION: The back of the cover must have the old material removed. Is the amount of material to be removed equal to the thickness of the original lip; and does this dimension determine the thickness of the plate? I'll check back later today. | ||
| Doncasto |
Count me in . . .in need of a repair service. I bought a primary cover off Fleabay over a year ago intending to switch out my scratched one. A close inspection just prior to removing the old one a few days ago revealed that the replacement has BLS . . (Broken Lip Syndrome) . . . Another eBay success story. | ||
| Teeps |
I've been thinking about the case failure and a repair, for some time. But, lack a broken example to examine. I know a guy that can fix the case. If someone is willing to send me a broken case. I take it to him and get an estimate. (Message edited by teeps on June 02, 2011) | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Ian, I'll try to answer the best I can. But reading through the links I posted answer your question, much better than I. The material to be machined depends more on the thickness of the plate, than the original lip. The plate most have used is a steel electrical outlet cover, that is shapped to fit. 3/16 of an inch is what Obiewan milled off the back of his. Odie's friend milled a little less, but I *Think* he used a thinner plate. I MIGHT and that's a Big MIGHT be able to get to a machinist I know of 30 miles away and have him look at the problem, but all told I'd rather give the work to a fellow Bueller if possible. Teeps, Thanks for the offer, and I'll keep you in mind! | ||
| Brother_in_buells |
Hey guy's! don't know if i can help from here ,but i be willing to help if needed! If there are any questions or something ,let me know and i go take a look in to the details etc.. I also have a spare 06+ primary cover i can sell to one of you if interested. it's not a new one but it's in good shape and has no cracks. I used it for one weekend only. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Hey Brother! I thought of asking if you could do the repair, then saw you were on the other side of the pond! I am curious, what did you use as your "plate". Did you use an electrical outlet cover or something else? If something else what was the thickness, and how much original material did you mill off? Thanks! | ||
| Guell |
hey if we have people that can weld a primary i have a tuber primary that i need a tab welded on and retapped. | ||
| Slaughter |
Wil at Bartels Harley is a wizard at welding, machining and fabrication. He does mostly restoration on extinct Harleys for Bill Bartels and is also doing work on the racing XB machines of many of us local racers. You can call Bartels HD and ask for Wil in the Race Department. Tell him Slaughter told you to call. It'll help if you ALSO tell him that I brought back his Summer Sausage from Wisconsin. | ||
| Gunut75 |
Let me know. I can take measurements off of mine, and recreate it. Let me know. | ||
| Greg_e |
OK, by the looks of the cover plates people have made, it looks like one could machine a "pipe" to fit inside the cover and create new lips. This "pipe" could be drilled and the case tapped through from the inside of the pipe and screws used to hold it in place. Machining the old lips off would be a good step but not entirely needed if the diameter in the center can be smaller. You could also weld this "pipe" into the cover if you didn't want to use screws. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Greg, having a little trouble visualizing what you are talking about. How would this be better than the plates people are using? Ian, are you thinking of doing the Obiewan fix, with the screws coming out of the cover? Or a fix like Odies? Or even B_I_B. In any case, figure up a cost for me please. At this point I'm going to plan on missing the run for Next weekend, so your not getting back until monday is fine. I don't see any reason to take your cover off, when mine would be shipped up there. | ||
| Greg_e |
A pipe inside would not require machining the old lips off. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Greg, IIRC about the pipe you are talking about, I don't think it would work. The Lip must behind the the clutch ramps, if I'm understanding correctly. The inner ramp pushes against the lip, I believe. If you put in a pipe, it would not go "in", far enough to attach screws to it and the case. - All though welding one in, might work. I'm not a machinist or mechanic though, but am really thinking about taking some classes! Owning a Buell does indeed tend to make some-what mechanics out of their owners. | ||
| Greg_e |
Depending on the diameters involved, you could cut a step in the outside wall of this "pipe" so that it drops down to where it needs to be. Cutting the old lip away and building something new is the best way but requires larger than hobby machines to make it happen, there is no way I could get this cover under mill little mill. | ||
| Brother_in_buells |
with a pipe inside the clutch release hole ,the ramp assembly does not fit anymore. some time ago there was already e thread with a 3D drawing about fitting a complete new part into the primary cover that replaces the whole lip thing etc.. For welding the primary covers ,you ask a welder that is serious and knows what he is doing ,and if he does it right he pre heating the cover before welding. For plate i used 3mm thick stainless plate ,but i think 2mm is also enough! I milled the rest of the lips of plus the thickness for the plate (in my case 3mm) in that situation the release area(plate)comes further away from the clutch hub ,so maybe the half of the thickness of your plate is enough to come at the same preparation as original. If you look close into the clutch hole(with the clutch release ramp removed) then you can see how close the release lips are inside/by the prongs of the clutch hub are! ,so that makes it (complicated) more difficult to make it exact as the original setting. If you mill to much of the lip area ,so the plate comes to far to the outside the spring etc don't fit in between the ramp and clutch cover anymore. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Bump, Waiting to hear back from Gunut. | ||
| Rwven |
If this gets off the ground I intend to have mine done as a precaution, so add me to the customer list. I have a good friend who has a home machine shop, with a good set of plans I am sure he would be willing to bid on the work. He does lots of small onesy twosy type jobs. He and I developed those passenger footpeg extenders that a few of you own. At this time I'm not really into developing the job, too much else needs doing... | ||
| Jramsey |
If one has the ability to repair these primary cases cases does one have to be a sponsor in order to offer this repair? Just curious. | ||
| Gunut75 |
I'll have my bike at the shop in the morning. I will fill y'all in then. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Ronald, Thanks for joining up and making the offer. The only plans available, are right here on BWB as far as I know. The links in my first post contain them such as they are. I have printed them out, you could do the same, and show your guy. Or email him the links. James, Not sure. Blake looks at all these threads, and has yet to comment. This is kinda like the Maximum's throttle body shaft thing. If this does get up and running on a large scale, then yes any advertising should be in the form of sponsorship. Anyone looking to make a continued profit from this should speak with Blake. And if it gets big, I have every confidence Blake will address and take care of the situation. But nobody is advertising. Nobody has gone after this work. The opposite in fact. I and others are actively seeking help. As in my bike is my only form of transportation I have. As in I don't have $260 to spend on a new part, especially one that is liable to fail again. This is an attempt by one Bueller(ME), to reach out to other Bueller's for help. I'm not looking for an after market accessory or performance upgrade. I am waiting on a response from Gunut, as I'd like to have a fellow Bueller do the work if possible. Or Obiewan. I also have a call into Odie - Who is a board sponsor. Thank you to all who have been of help, and offered suggestions! | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Thanks Gunut!! Will wait to hear back | ||
| Gunut75 |
I need the measurement from the gasket surface to the inside surface of the lip. I also need the thickness of the lip. Anyone that has their cover off, could you please check this? I'll be looking for a local cover to measure on. | ||
| Brother_in_buells |
gasket surface from clutch inspection hole to inside of lip = between 15.35mm and 15.45mm the lip thickness is +- 2.85 to 3.00mm measured from a 2006 cover | ||
| Greg_e |
To really prototype something, the person needs a cover in their hand. Preferably one with a broken lip on one side and an intact lip on the other. And extra inspection cover and old gasket would be helpful. Some high resolution pictures of the cover mounted to the engine and inspection cover removed would also be helpful. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Gunut, If you PM your address, I'll get mine shipped up to you. | ||
| Gunut75 |
Whisperstealth, PM sent. | ||
| Rwven |
Looks like Gunnut's got it covered. My friend looked at the pics and figured the job would be a cakewalk so he's willing if need be. |
