| Author | Message | ||
     Whisperstealth |
No_rice + 1 More! We need to stay the F out of Libya! 112 tomahawks at, at least 1 million per. Another 112 mil that should not have been spent "fighting" for something that will never happen, for a people who hate us, in a land we have no business in. SOB, MF, And just &%^*(&($^ *^(%* **^%*&^*!!!!!!! Take a look around. This country is falling apart. Our infrastructure is in vast and rapid decay. And children are still going hungry and with out right here in our own front yards. Oh well. Maybe we can add Libya to the list of nations the Sec. Treas. wants to merge our currency with. As much as I love my Uly, I really need to get my KLR up and on the road. Would love a dozen or more of the things. Maybe some 250 super sherpa's......... | ||
| Cowboy |
Do any of you know any thing a bout George Sros. notice It was anounced yestarday that there is no new drilling permits coming any time soon. #1 Soros has got control of Brazil oil #2 a lot of our rigs has moved there #3 we aare about to lose a lot of Mid East oil.#4 I think that Soros pulls BHO chain this is just another step in his effert to set up a world goverment. I would like your commets on this. By thew way what in hell is BHO doing in Brazil with so much crap going on here./ | ||
| Crusty |
Never let facts get in the way of a good opinion. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
Uhhhh - hate to tell you, you are in the wrong war D'oh. nevermind... | ||
| Swampy |
"Those poor people in Libya who have been fighting desperately for freedom have been betrayed by the only country that could have possibly done anything about it." Just who are these "poor people" in Libya? Make sure that the democracy that they are seeking is not Islamic Fundamentalist Mobocracy, just like Iran.....Iraq....Egypt | ||
| Kenm123t |
Cowboy gets It Obama the destroyer | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
There is no good option in all this mess. Our choice is between a dictator running a country with an iron fist and a gaggle of little dictators ruling with burkas and beheadings. We will lose no matter who wins. At this point, the only missiles I want fired into middle eastern countries make the neighborhood glow for about 1000 years. It's time to stamp out the 14th century once and for all. | ||
| Aesquire |
I object to the title of this thread. Barry is not a coward. I don't know that he's brave about anything but being torqued off when others oppose him, but I see no reason to call him a coward. ( an opinion subject to change ) Now, I pretty much disagree with Barry's foreign policy across the board. Certain policies he has continued from the previous admin are ok, even though he claimed to oppose those policies before he took office. I admire, in some ways, his willingness to slaughter people with missiles, supposedly to protect U.S. troops. ( certainly not to get political points at home, certainly not ) I vehemently disagree with his apparent stance on Israel, Iran, Russia, China, and totalitarian regimes who publicly call for our deaths. I question his reasoning and logic in decisions involving Poland, the Ukraine, Egypt, Iran, etc. etc. etc. He has never explained in real terms why he does anything except in platitudes about "reset", "hope", "peace", "change". with no moral, logical, or practical explanation for his opinion & orders. ( I could have missed the speech. ) That, pretty damn obviously, sends "signals" to the bad apples of the planet that they can murder who they want with no fear from America. I can show with simple numbers how his policies and spoken platitudes have increased the number of casualties in many parts of the world. Like the Afghan front, and Libya. But not a coward. When I think of anything else nice to say about him, I'll tell you. Ft. I half agree with you. ( though it's really the 8th century. The 14th was too liberal for the mullahs who dragged Islam back to the 8th ) | ||
| Slaughter |
Read a couple of great books this past year: Seven Pillars of Wisdom (T. E. Lawrence's account of his involvement in the Arab uprising against the Turks) - and a helluva great insight into the cultures of that region and HOW tribal warfare was waged (and still is being waged) Also.. Hero - Michael Korda - detailed look at Lawrence and the politics that shaped the region at the end of WWI (not to mention an awesome bio of Lawrence in its own right) WE (the "winners" of WWI) forced the tribes and kingdoms to become "nations" where no nations had EVER existed. The region was carved up into usable chunks of property without real regard for historic divisions between tribes and kingdoms. Countries such as Iraq, Trans-Jordan, Syria, Palestine were created out of desert... France getting hers, Britain hers. We still are trying to "westernize" the locals. So, how's it working? (Message edited by slaughter on March 20, 2011) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/262481/are-we -dumber-hamster-mark-krikorian "...Of course our armed forces will again perform brilliantly, and Qaddafi and his repellent mafia clan will be hanging from piano wire in no time. But everyone knows we’ll end up staying to pacify the country, trying in vain to reconcile one gang of cretinous barbarians with the neighboring gang of cretinous barbarians....." The conservatives are split on Libya. Some oppose Barack on the grounds he's, well, Barack. Some for fear he has no actual plan or idea how to stop what has started. Others are all for taking out murderous dictator types, no matter who is on the White house. I find myself mixed between those last 2 views. | ||
| Aesquire |
Slaughter, as to your questions. We still are trying to "westernize" the locals. So, how's it working? badly. Seems Almost hopeless. Not completely, many of the children go to school in the west, and many of them reject the crap culture of their parents, and ancient ancestors. Screw multiculturalism. Some societies just suck. Ask any woman being stoned to death for driving a car. From Jerry Pournelle. Regarding the President, it's not entirely clear what President Obama did say. Apparently neither the United States nor anyone else will "take a leadership position" in whatever effort is made against Gaddafi. I presume this means no unity of command. I do hope that it does not mean that the Legions are to be sent into situations without proper plans and preparations: flying our aircraft through missile defended areas without means for taking out the radars. I would say one thing is certain: al Jazeera is already making sure that every camera crew has a teddy bear to add to the rubble from something destroyed by intervention forces. The President has ordered Gaddafi to stop attacking civilians. Are the civilians the ones firing guns in the air, those not firing guns in the air, or those without visible guns? And does this mean that Libyan police cannot suppress robbers? What about looters? I understand that this sounds callous, but were I the Air Boss on a US carrier I would not know what rules of engagement to give the pilots. Presumably Gaddafi will declare a cease fire and use that to suppress all dissent within the areas he controls. What happens after this isn't clear. How is "allowing the dissidents to depart in peace" different from what we once called ethnic cleansing, or are tribal differences ethnic? I ask a bit tongue in cheek, but in fact I do not know the answer. I'll think about it. I would say that putting out a contract on Gaddafi's head, and pointedly saying that Delta Force, SAS, and the Foreign Legion are eligible to collect it might do wonders. (Message edited by aesquire on March 20, 2011) | ||
| Aesquire |
I do expect to see teddy bears on al Jazeera. j pournelle | ||
| Baybueller |
Should the U.N. have intervened after Waco to neutralize the threat against U.S. citizens, considering Kent State and Ruby Ridge as a pattern? | ||
| Aesquire |
Oh, absolutely. The Germans would have Clinton in a cell at Spandau.  That has diddle to do with how we should deal with Colonel Gaddafi. What's your opinion? Do you have a better idea? How would you deal with Iran? ( I'm pretty happy with the "price on his head" bit, myself. ) | ||
| Aesquire |
see my post on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 08:26 pm: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/406 2/613516.html?1300408012 Teddy bears. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Well I do feel rather foolish today. I'll be in the corner eating humble pie. I apologize to anyone who was offended by the title of this thread, it was over the top. | ||
| Baybueller |
My question should have been in its own thread but some are irritated by these so I tried to consolidate. I was just trying to view the situation as a neutral observer might. | ||
| Kenm123t |
I suggest arrogant fool as a better descripition of Barry | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I can honestly say I am glad I am out of the military. I just get antzy when the CinC has NO military experience; and is directed by polls for policy; and yes I felt the same way about Clinton. | ||
| Aesquire |
I objected, I'm not injured. No harm done I hope. While I may think a politician is a fool, a tool, a useful idiot, or a hardcore lefty, those are all ( possibly ) accurate descriptions of his actions and views. Not a personal attack, just descriptive. Others may say my opinion on that matter is too harsh and judgmental. Perhaps. I also view some as ignorant, manipulative, beholden to special interests-not the rest of the citizens, or having medieval religious rants, and still not think I'm calling them on their personality. much. We probably can all agree that a lot of the people who want to be in govt. are scum of the earth with good haircuts. Some are dedicated folk who really want to serve, but you can't tell from what they say, since the scum say they feel that way too. Pity Fox doesn't run voice stress analysis alongside political speech....but then they'd get nuked, for sure. ( and some politicians are sociopaths to the degree that they could tell you they had nothing to do with a crime as loot drops from their hands...and pass a lie detector.) For Barack, I rather like arrogant, ( he's not at all alone there ) and honestly don't know if it's fool in the "useful idiots" sense or ideological. Just ambitious and willing to use any means necessary? Or willful evil for nefarious purposes? And if the latter, driven by ideology?, or Shaitan? I don't know. I don't have a clue what's going on between those jug ears of his. ( a personal attack  but I'm joking.... amazing we had 2 Mad Magazine Alfred E. Neuman ear-bearing prez's in a row! ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot | ||
| Swampy |
Just make sure we are not fighting for the democracy of Islamic Fundamentalists that want to impose islamic law on our republic....... Having a dictator that can be controlled/replaced is better than having a bunch of cave dwellers running wild in the streets imposing islamic law.... When islamic law is imposed on the U.S. we will have to take down all the pictures in the Backfire Board and stone all the pretty women. Do you know why you can't take a baptist fishing? Because he will drink all your beer.... | ||
| Aesquire |
 Interesting views on “Operation Odyssey Dawn” . http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.ht ml http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51617.ht ml Didn't these guys ASK us to bomb? http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/arab-league-co ndemns-broad-bombing-campaign-in-libya/2011/03/20/ AB1pSg1_story.html?hpid=z3 More news. B-2's & Mirage's. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487040 21504576211690643186556.html?mod= Unless we plan to occupy Libya, ( No, please don't ) I have no Objection to the Prez using force when needed, as needed to save lives and prevent evil from prevailing. Yes, many will reflexively start to bitch that we used force here, while in Darfur, or any number of other places we did nothing. The same folk will say we should not be the world's police. Hard to argue with that last. Certainly we have not interfered in lots of evil and murderous rampages, than even now are happening. Feel free to call for action where you believe we can & should, but to use that we have not bombed Crapistan as an argument against fighting evil is disingenuous. My hopes and prayers for the Seamen and Aviators, and especially the Deck crews and Spec Op's guys who stand in harms way with little fanfare & credit. | ||
| Sifo |
There's no way I want us to be occupying Libya. A UN no-fly zone is how we eventually wound up occupying Iraq though. Meanwhile we still had 12 years of Saddam killing his countrymen on the ground. I'm not convinced that a no-fly zone saves any lives at all in the long run. It seems clear that in Libya we are just evening up the odds so that the conflict can go into overtime. That may be great when you are watching a football game, not so great when you are living in a war zone. For years we have heard about how overstressed out military has been with 2 war fronts. Opening up a third front certainly does nothing to make that situation any better. It looks like Gaddafi has surrounded himself with human shields already, so taking him out from the air is very problematic. All this comes from a President that has made his political career harping about his predecessor's "war of choice". At leas on that war of choice things were discussed in congress for about a year and a half. That was called a "rush to war". There are some questions that really need to be answered ASAP! What is our objective? How long will that take? What is our responsibility in the aftermath? Bush was told "you break it, you own it" in Iraq. I really think that BO needs to take some time from his vacation in Rio to address these issues. He should be in Washington addressing these issues to Congress. No doubt that good arguments can be made for/against taking this action, but the CIC doesn't get to make this decision on his own except where there is a direct threat to US interests. I think for an anti-war president, he really has some serious 'splaining to do. | ||
| Swampy |
What is so wrong with a dictator killing his country men? We have our elected dictators killing their country men every day in America and you don't see a no fly zone set up over the US? | ||
| Cowboy |
It dont make any difference who comes out on top, the surviving bastards will continue try and kill us every chance they get, I say let them go at each other. This is only my view of this mess.(A southern Republican Jew) | ||
| 46champ |
I think we will get to see how well a marginal sized aircraft carrier (the Charles de Gaulle) will function in a protracted engagement. For years I have been reading that our carriers are too big and more economical carriers should be bought. We shall see. | ||
| Jon |
Late in the thread here...who's life is Obama being a coward with? Should he be brave and spend American lives to prove it? Let the Arab league spend some of their own lives in their backyard for a change. I am a conservative, but I think the way this has gone was OK. He either waited for others to take action that had more interests there or had communications to that effect. The French buy much of that Lybian oil, Al Queda is apparently likely involved with the rebels....not always a cut and dried solution in these tribal, oil, Islamic conflicts. Why should Obama or anyone else be quick to spend American lives at the first sign of trouble in any foreign country, especially an islamic country where most of the populous has an anti-American mind set anyway? Whoever gets in power next needs to pay us for our cruise missles, etc. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
I believe Barry is a coward. I have no problem with the title. Leading by the polls is a type of cowardice. | ||
| Swordsman |
also is there any country we've helped that is thankful for that help? The Czech Republic. According to my younger aunt (who is Czech), the US had some part in getting the country out from beneath communism. My wife and I were VERY well received over there. ~SM | ||
| Drkside79 |
+1 Jon Why should more of my friends lose limbs needlessly. +1000 for Obama not rushing in to every situation like a warmonger |
