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Crackhead
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 12:01 pm: | 
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"The Dunlop decision was right to make a mandatory change. You can't expect them to sway 30 tires in 10 minutes. No fault of the teams or Dunlop."
It goes back to being prepared. Since teams had 2 sets of rims. 1st set to start the race and a 2nd to swap.
While the bike has the 2nd set on the track the team can put new tires on the 1st set of rims.
Let me guess big budget teams can't afford a $500 tires changer? |
99buellx1
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 01:17 pm: |
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quote:While the bike has the 2nd set on the track the team can put new tires on the 1st set of rims.
Let me guess big budget teams can't afford a $500 tires changer?
So, let me get this right...
You are proposing that they should have left the bikes racing on tires that were failing and just *hope* that nobody else had a get off like Eslick while the teams were getting a different tire ready?
Wow.
Also, I'm sure you realize that a race tire gets heat before they race on it with a warmer for about a half hour.
So in your scenario, each rider should have continued on possibly failing tires for 30+ minutes? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 01:30 pm: |
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I am stunned by the way people react to this, and call it a "club race" and talk about "AMA" wrecking racing. This is ludicrous.
It's very simple. Dunlop made some bad tires. Quality issue and very embarassing for them. There was definitely tire testing done in advance of this event and nothing indicated this. Add to that the fact that some riders running in front had no issues and some had massive chunks coming out. Purely tire quality control.
The AMA did the right thing to keep some really dangerous things from occurring, and wound up with a fight to the finish. The debate over whether an engine swap is allowed is a rule book interpretation, and in the end it led to an exciting finish.
People who bash away at racing disgust me. All that comes from this is the spreading of the word that racing is bad, which keeps spectators away. And the riding and racing was spectacular. |
Crackhead
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 03:32 pm: |
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I was assuming that the backup tires where setting in a hotbox waiting to be used.
Also the rider that realized that the first set of tires couldn't hand the heat and used his brain to ride with tire management in mind should be penalized?
I am also one the few people that think they should race in the rain.
It is not always about being the fastest, its about being the first across the line.
Are all the teams stuck with the same tire or is there different compounds to choose from? It sounds like they are all stuck with the same compound and design. So, why doesn't Dunlop error on the side of caution since it is a spec tire race. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 11:40 am: |
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I am also one the few people that think they should race in the rain.
You must be talking about Nascar cause last time I checked AMA runs in the rain. |
46champ
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 12:32 pm: |
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AMA races in the rain on some tracks. Don't have the list but I know Daytona is not nor ever will be one of those tracks on the list. If there concrete abutments to hit it won't be on the list. |
Firstbuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 03:38 pm: |
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AMA Pro is supposed to run in the rain at some tracks - can't ever remember it happening, tho'..... |
Firstbuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 03:39 pm: |
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The Daytona 200 - crashfest vids:
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...n-wind-tunn el/
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...ona-200-cra sh/
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Ebear
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 04:38 pm: |
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Just for some visual proof.No Golden Boy antics.....just Safety concerns.
(Message edited by ebear on March 16, 2011) |
Crackhead
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 04:51 pm: |
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That's not tire management, or selecting the wring tire for the temp range issues. That's manufacturing issues. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 05:18 pm: |
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AMA Pro is supposed to run in the rain at some tracks - can't ever remember it happening, tho'.....
Road America, 1999, Loudon, 1998,Road America, 2009, Mid Ohio, 1997; those are just off the top of my head. There have been many more.
You don't watch many races, do you? |
Bads1
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 05:48 pm: |
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Rain at Road America the last 2 years.lol |
Spank
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 05:56 pm: |
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There hasn't been a AMA race at Road America that I have gone to where it hasn't rained! LOL |
86129squids
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 01:39 am: |
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Yeah, I agree, worst ever...
I DIDN'T MAKE IT OR GET TO WATCH IT!!!
C'est la vie... |
Trojan
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 06:43 am: |
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The AMA did the right thing to keep some really dangerous things from occurring, and wound up with a fight to the finish. The debate over whether an engine swap is allowed is a rule book interpretation, and in the end it led to an exciting finish.
If it was JUST the tyre issue then it could be argued that it wasn't their fault (although Both Dunlop and the AMA should have foreseen that a 200 mile race on an abrasive new surface in extreme heat using soft 'street' tyres was going to cause some problems at least!). However you also have to factor in the confusion at the end of the race when the organisers should have studied the footage and made a descision BEFORE announcing a winner and then back tracking. Also the delays were handled badly for whatever reason, which meant that nobody knew what was happening or when. The fact that it ended in an exciting finish has nothing to do with the organisation of the event and was just a fortuitous event.
People who bash away at racing disgust me. All that comes from this is the spreading of the word that racing is bad, which keeps spectators away. And the riding and racing was spectacular
I am certainly not spreading the word that racing is bad. On the contrary I want more people involved in racing at every level (and if you read my posts properly you would see this).
To get more people involved in racing as competitors, sponsors and spectators though you need good organisation and infrastructure and you need paying spectators and sponsors to help fund it. |
Crackhead
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 09:05 am: |
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"Road America, 1999, Loudon, 1998,Road America, 2009, Mid Ohio, 1997; those are just off the top of my head. There have been many more.
You don't watch many races, do you?"
Nope, NASCAR TV oopps I mean Speed TV doesn't show races that often or at convenient times. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 10:09 am: |
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Nope, NASCAR TV oopps I mean Speed TV doesn't show races that often or at convenient times.
I've got some news for you. They give better coverage than anybody else does. When ESPN used to show Dirt Track races at 2:00 AM, I'd set my VCR to record them, then I'd watch them the following day.
There simply aren't enough people who want to watch motorcycle racing for them to justify giving motorcycles more coverage.
I'd love to see every race live, but there aren't many folks who feel the same way.
There are more people who want to watch NASCAR "trucks" circulating an oval track one at a time than there are folks who want to see an exciting motorcycle race.
Get a recorder; DVR, VHS, whatever; and watch the races at your convenience.
You're missing a great show. Even when it rains. |
Crackhead
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 10:19 am: |
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whats a VCR? is that like a Record?
I am about to cut my cable. The prices have gone through the roof. All the useless crap channels keep driving the prices up.
Now, if they had an Android app or i could watch the races online, then I would be game. |
Trojan
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 11:00 am: |
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If you have satellite TV can you pick up Eurosport coverage of MotoGP in the USA? That is certainly some of the best coverage available and they show all qualifying seesions and races for all 3 classes. They also show all the WSB races live  |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 05:47 pm: |
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There are more people who want to watch NASCAR "trucks" circulating an oval track one at a time than there are folks who want to see an exciting motorcycle race.
I will NEVER understand this infatuation with Nascar everything. I guess the popularity of Lady Gaga and the NBA explains plenty tho. |
Jonzin
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 05:54 pm: |
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From Sportrider.com
AMA DAYTONA 200 STATEMENT |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 04:31 am: |
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From BadWeatherBikers.com
AMA Pro Racing Debriefs Daytona 200 |
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