| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Ken, "Slinky people", funny; kinda dark, but funny. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Blake I get a little short with people that go to college to study what others have done and proclaim look how smart and sophisticated they are. When you should strive to be the person whose accomplishments people come to study! Its been a rough week dealing with a worthless architect that wants to do a half ------- redesign on a boiler system thats dumping Co exceeding 30ppm in occupied offices. His fix can you set the alarms higher? and the proper fix is too expensive. He doesnt have a choice it will be done properly he can pay or his O&E insurance can. he has till Friday noon to decide or he can explain to the owner why the Fire Marshal is there pulling the gas supply. We need more talented engineers and fewer liberal arts slinkys | ||
| Fast1075 |
"The proper fix is too expensive"...that is the root of the problem...Mr. Idiot architect cannot think past the dollar sign...or maybe he is simply an idiot savant that got his degree(s) by rote memorization and actually has no skill at all or maybe Mr. building owner can't think past the dollar sign. Or does the building owner even know about the CO problem? I have been in the HVAC trade for 28 years and it is suprising the number of times the only thing important to the owner is the cost...because they know they can hang the culpability for a crap job on the idiot willing to do it wrong....not THEIR problem...usually they end up getting what they wanted to begin with....FREE WORK!! Send the building owner a registered letter detailing the failings of the architect along with a copy of the relevent air quality codes...and for good measure cite a few cases where the building owner was prosecuted for intentionally having IAQ issues. Won't put or keep you in huggy kissy land with the architect or the engineer if there is one...but in the world we live in today, CYA is at the top of the most important list, barring intelligent decisions by "customers". Yeah, I deal with idiots on a daily basis myself...it is at times frustrating and irritating, but occasionally entertaining. There are many cases where I refused to do a crap job where years later, the customer came back to get it straightened out because I told them the cheap way out wouldn't work to begin with. | ||
| Buellinmke |
Here you go Blake - go ahead and start writing your congressman and see if your letter is strong enough to stop a corporation. At least you can now thank Wikileaks for showing you that your tax dollars are being used to fund gay sex. Source Don't you find it odd that the liberal US media will not report on this? | ||
| Blake |
I'm still not clear on the accusation you are making. Are you accusing corporate leadership of endorsing the behavior, or some of it's Afghan employees? CBS report... http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20025055-50 3543.html Before I write my congressman, I need to be clear on the issue. I wouldn't hold an entire company and its leaders responsible for the bad behavior of a few low level employees, Afghan employees at that. Apparently that story was out long before the wikileaks. The bigger story might be why did the journalist hold back on it. | ||
| Blake |
>>> see if your letter is strong enough to stop a corporation. Just want to clarify something. Joe, a "corporation" is nothing very special. The local pizza joint here in Kilgore is a "corporation", as is my plumber's business, as is Erik Buell Racing. A corporation is just a general term used to describe any of various legal structures for a business enterprise. I'm sure you know that, but I am always wondering why leftists and some others seem to constantly harp on "corporations" as if they are something bad. Some people are bad (greedy, unethical, lazy, dishonest...); sometimes people running big corporations are bad. They hopefully usually go to prison. See ENRON, TYCO, Global Crossing, White Water. I reject the notion that releasing an entire database of stolen American government communications is justified in this issue. The responsible and proper course of action would have been to report on the particular issue; there was no need to release the cable itself, at least in non-redacted form. Simply report the news. Unfortunately, sodomy of young boys is a rampant problem that is unbelievably accepted by many in that part of the world. Sick stuff. Whoever is responsible should be held to account. Do you know who is responsible, or are you just interested in throwing more bombs and attacking America and a corporation in general? (Message edited by Blake on December 10, 2010) | ||
| Swordsman |
Y'know, last week's Doonesbury in the AJC didn't make any sense until I read this thread. ~SM | ||
| Blake |
>>> Don't you find it odd that the liberal US media will not report on this? They have. See the link above. There are others. I suppose if Bush were still President, it would be running front page on the NY Times for months on end. But a Democrat is president, so that just isn't going to happen. The liberal media is a complete joke. | ||
| Blake |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-1121777 2 http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSISL184892007111 9 | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Where is the liberal indignation about imposing our western belief systems on another culture? | ||
| Hootowl |
Yeah, and I thought homosexuality was OK now. OK for us, bad for them? | ||
| Blake |
To be fair, I think they are most concerned about the abuse, rape, slavery and such, of young boys. If they were adult and freely operating, they'd probably be okay with it. | ||
| Blake |
One teenage "hacktivist" learning a very tough lesson... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487047 20804576009723632691988.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENext toWhatsNewsSecond | ||
| Hootowl |
"If they were adult and freely operating, they'd probably be okay with it." I was referring to the culture which says this type of behavior is acceptable and normal. And ours for saying their culture and ours are moral equivalents. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
They have been doing this activity with the dancing boys for centuries. Who are we to judge? | ||
| Blake |
Sorry amigo, I don't follow your point. Are you asserting that libs have previously condoned similarly outrageous behavior? | ||
| Trackdad |
Hey we had architectural firm here in town and they were caled G_______& M______e. First go around with them we called the Guess someMore.... After the really screwed things up we called them Gashem and Mashum!!!! Enough said!! | ||
| Blake |
Jeff, Gotcha. Hypocrisy is nothing new to leftist libs. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I'm being ironical. No, I don't condone these activities. They are reprehensible. The same arguments were being made regarding our efforts to free 70M people from tyranny. "How can we impose our ideal of freedom and democracy onto another culture?" Either things are right or they are not. We do no filter right and wrong through a cultural and historical lens. I'm simply calling out the hypocrisy of the liberal left. | ||
| Reindog |
Talk about hypocrisy. Remember Valerie Plame? The screeching of the Left and their media toadies was incessant about the sanctity of preventing leaked information. Where are these buffoons now? Oh yeah, printing leaked information in the New York Times. Give me the New York Post any day over the NYT except for lining my cat box. Wake up and smell the gunpowder. | ||
| Blake |
Jeremy, I think this issue is a questionable example of that hypocrisy though, excusing a sovereign nation's form of gov't vs promoting the rape of young boys. (Message edited by blake on December 10, 2010) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
When a sovereign nation is theocratic as it is in much of the middle east, there is very little difference. Is the buggering of boys illegal in Afghanistan under the sovereign nation's laws? No? Then it must not be immoral. Our nation was founded under a simple premise, that there are unalienable rights endowed upon all men by the Creator. Either those rights supercede both the actions of individuals AND sovereigns or they are not unalienable. Please don't fall into the trap of believing rights exist only at the behest of the sovereign government under which the individual has been born. Either these rights are universal and unalienable or we have nothing to discuss about the practices of Afghani men and Afghani boys. | ||
| Blake |
You've gone off into left field on me. My point was that there is a difference between objecting to and taking actions to oppose the behavior of an American corporation funded by American taxpayers versus the actions of a sovereign foreign nation. One is self-policing according to our laws. The other is foreign policy and/or war. Thus I think this issue is a questionable example of the left's hypocrisy, excusing a sovereign nation's form of gov't vs our tax dollars promoting the rape of young boys. (bold type added for clarity) >>> Is the buggering of boys illegal in Afghanistan under the sovereign nation's laws? Yes, it is. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I agree. I just find it interesting what moral battles liberals are willing to make. | ||
| Kenm123t |
The returning soldiers that work for me stated the arab attitude is boys are for fun women for babies. Arafat died of AIDS. Tales have circulated for years about Turkish prisons homsexual rape of prisoners. By guards and other prisoners | ||
| Kenm123t |
FAst The Engineer and Owners are on my side mr archie tect decided to make the changes on his own with the GC He didnt want to see the exhaust stacks From the street | ||
| Moxnix |
Arafat had a slew of pretty boy German guards for protection, not that there's anything wrong with that. See: Interview With History by Oriana Fallaci, Italian journalist. In fact, much of her later works are highly critical of militant Islam. She wrote that "sons of Allah breed like rats" and in a Wall Street Journal interview in 2005, said that Europe was no longer Europe but Eurabia. But I digress. We don't see Assange's face pasted on the TV so much today. All glory is fleeting. And Pfc. Manning traded an adrenalin rush for a lifetime in jail. | ||
| Blake |
Ken, I heard that same sentiment stated to my face by a group of young men from Pakistan, I was working on an oil rig in the Persian Gulf. I initially thought they were joking. They assured me that they were dead serious. "Women are for having babies; young boys are for pleasure" they admonished. One of the bolder ones actually had the idea that my fellow SMU engineering coop student associate, he with boyish good looks, was a possible conquest. Before he knew it, the amorous Pakistani found himself lying on the deck unable to inhale for some time, all the others laughing hysterically at him. Mox, >>> ... not that there's anything wrong with that. One of the biggest lies ever perpetrated by Hollywood. | ||
| Moxnix |
I agree. It's a line that was overused in Seinfeld episodes for a time. Part of the crypto-entertainment industry not-so-subtle softening of the rubes into a downhill slide of morals. Homosexuality is about sex, not politics, culture, religion, philosophy, art, or American culture. Having been in the military back in the day, I cannot fathom allowing "these people" to be "out." Unless it's out of the service. Having gays "out" amongst our fighting forces is a protracted psychological harrassment they can do without. | ||
| Blake |
DaveGess, Check out... http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9c99cbb4-ff13-11df-956b- 00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=Late_headline1/NL/USDecem ber2010/Vanilla_wikilk/0/#axzz17p6X5kvg Excerpt: Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev, the prime minister-president tandem running Russia, are depicted as Batman and Robin. Kinda unprofessional. |
