| Author | Message | ||
     Bigdaddy |
Given the history of our ruling class repealing any entitlements this will be with us as long as anyone reading this is alive. Now Obama, aka Dear Leader, has to get all the illegals amnesty and soon. He has positioned himself perfectly to shove it right down our throats too. "All of you that voted for Obamacare must now vote for amnesty or you'll be voted out! We must do it now." We could be screwed and you will never change this from 'outside' the system. If you're truly conservative then, IMHO, we must take control of the Republican party and direct change from inside. A 3rd party is nothing more than a guarantee of more socialist inroads and the destruction of The Constitution. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The Constitution ISN'T a "living, breathing document". That's just it. It says what it says. If you don't like what it says, you amend it. That's how it works. Reinterpreting what the word "is" is was never the intent of the framers. The Constitution was written in plain english, simple to interpret. The idea of a "Constitutional Scholar" would have been laughable to the Framers. Keep in mind, the Framers created a nation with FOUR PAGES. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Hypothesis: America has separation of Church V State America was founded on Religious freedom The Christian Science believers place no faith in medicine or medical care.... Forcing them to purchase mandated medical insurance is against their religious tenents.... I think that religion is going see a surge in following.... Welcome to the new Conscientious Objection | ||
| Phillyblast |
Wow you guys are ••••••• Retarded. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Emanuel, is that you? | ||
| Reindog |
It only took ONE day to receive our first tax increase under this bill. My wife was told today that our Flexible Spending Accounts were capped at $5K but will now be capped at $2.5K which means $2.5K of additional taxable income. This is just the tip of the iceberg, folks. The People have been duped. This is Tyranny. | ||
| Reindog |
Explain please. I presume you were throwing the F-bomb so you should also explain your emotional outburst, sir. | ||
| Court |
There are MANY tax increases buried in this . . . I hesitate . . since it has student loans in it . . . to call it a health care bill. I agree about the tip of the iceberg. The moment this taxes, which bring marginal tax rates up to about 60% for a person in NYC making over $250K, the wealthy will do what the wealthy have always done . . they will change their behavior to avoid (legally) any taxes they can thus cutting tax revenues (you may have heard of the Laffer Curve . . the higher you tax a group the less tax revenue you generate) and placing the incidence on those poor saps in the next tax bracket. Hooo . . . frickin . . . ray . . if I owned a business I wouldn't hire anyone at this time to save my ass if I could avoid it. | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
Phillyblast Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 09:19 pm: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Wow you guys are ••••••• Retarded ...and Your excuse for responding without an explanation makes You a scholar, because..........? | ||
| Court |
>>>>...and Your excuse for responding without an explanation makes You a scholar No silly . . it makes him a pot stirrer. . . there are, among our number, some folks who lack MTB (minimum threshold brightness) and their stock is trade is to simply stir the pot . . . it's cool. He never claimed to be anything else. Just pass the posts up . . that's what I do. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I took it as a Rahm reference. | ||
| Swordsman |
Ft_, I could agree with you about Libertarians being a waste IF Republicans actually held to their original creed. However, that's a long time gone, and I don't see the point in wishing it was back to it's old original self when there's another party ready to take their place. The ONLY obstacle I see are people who just can't seem to let the Republicans go. Unfortunately, there are a LOT of them. ~SM (Message edited by Swordsman on March 22, 2010) | ||
| M2me |
Explain please. I presume you were throwing the F-bomb so you should also explain your emotional outburst, sir. All I need to do is read these political threads on BadWeb and I know exactly what caused Phillyblast's outburst. It's crystal clear. I don't need it explained to me. | ||
| Glitch |
Speaking as a Libertarian: We must take back the Republican Party, pure and simple. SM you are probably too young to remember Ross Perot. Do some reading. The Libertarian Party would do little more than split the Conservatives, and the liberals with one candidate, would win. Libertarians, Independents, Tea Party Members, Republicans and the like, need to unite, not divide. Divide and conquer is their game plan, we must thwart that by uniting. | ||
| Buellkowski |
Here's some info from the Kaiser Family Foundation, if anyone's interested in more objective analyses. http://healthreform.kff.org/ | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Look, I work in healthcare, I wouldnt vote for this pig. Have you READit ? I am betting your legislator didnt. 2076 pages in 72 hours before debate and vote on the content? You are kidding yourselves to think that 1 they read it, 2 understood it 3 will understand the ramifications of it. Its like having the paper boy fix your transmission with tools that he borrowed from your neighbor.... expect the same results. | ||
| Mindi |
Someone who is better at politics than I, please help me. According to the vote count, there were 430 votes cast and NONE that did not vote... aren't there 435 voting members in Congress? Where are the other 5? And, more pointedly, where is MY representative? I live in the Ninth District in Georgia, with Nathan Deal as my elected official, and the Ninth District is NOT represented in the vote. So I truly WILL be taxed without representation, unless I have missed something here... | ||
| M2me |
There were 431 votes cast. It passed 220-211 (HR 4872). The reason it wasn't 435 is because 4 seats are vacant. Nathan Deal voted No. All Republicans voted No. | ||
| Mindi |
I was referring to HR 3590 - the link was posted on the first page of this thread, and Nathan Deal is NOT listed. Just because he's a Republican doesn't mean he voted. His seat might be one of the vacant ones. So I did not get a representative vote. | ||
| M2me |
HR 3590 passed 219-212. Deal voted No. Link | ||
| Mindi |
Ah. OK. His name was apparently left off the first link from the New York Times. I feel better that I at least had a representative that voted. Thank you. | ||
| M2me |
Deal resigned "minutes after House Democrats passed a sweeping overhaul of the nation's health care system". But he did vote on all the bills last night. You got a representative vote. It's weird that the NY Times link does not show his vote. Deal Resigns | ||
| Mindi |
LOL. OK so nooooowwwww I don't have representation. Hope they don't vote on anything BIG. Meh. Never liked Deal anyway. | ||
| Gregtonn |
America has separation of Church V State You mean this? Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Ever notice those most offended by any perceived infringement of their free speech rights are some of the first to reject the words highlighted in red? The First Amendment does not seek to prohibit religion within government. (Once again: Read the words highlighted in red.) What it does prohibit is state sponsored religion. G | ||
| Xb12xmike |
I really can't believe they didn't just take another year or two to really make this bill a work for the majority. What the hell was the rush? Seriously?? It's one of the most important bills in our history was forced down our throats. This bill should have never be passed without at least 70% approval. It's just too important for us all. I just can't believe how truly divided we are. What we really need now is a SYSTEM RESTORE BUTTON. | ||
| Aesquire |
Actually that's a funny Rahm reference in context. I hadn't thought of the Christian Scientists. I suppose they just have to pay for the good of the masses, and have no obligation to receive health care. You can pay your whole life into an insurance policy and never collect....that's what makes it work for the ones that do. In socialized systems you give up the choice of paying for it. Going to the doctor I would argue is still your choice. I hope. Don't get me wrong, personally I can accept a great deal of skepticism as to the science of diagnosis and the errors of bureaucratic medicine. But not believing in medicine, using faith healing, or having religious restrictions on say, receiving blood or having a surgical procedure, hit me a superstitious craziness. But it's your right to be crazy, if it don't hurt people. I'll leave the hard legal problems for another thread, like responsibility for prenatal & child care. Forcing me to buy insurance is bad enough. I have serious issues when a govt. can control my access, which is inevitable in the new hopeychangey utopia. Why is that different than today's private insurance? Because I have a choice now, and see that that choice is ( not this week, but very soon ) being taken away. If I don't like the criteria allstate uses today, I can go to State Farm. But more important by far are the issues of what you allow a govt. to do to you. Generally speaking, I think you're probably nuts to turn down free vaccinations. usually. And. Forced immunization may be a needful thing in the event of plague. I can see that. Where do you draw the line? If I had to give a kidney as an act of forced charity & compassion by a progressive benevolent dictator, or Congress, I think I'd not be happy with that, just because I'm a stubborn a$$hole. Now that IS an extreme notion. just think about your preference here. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I really can't believe they didn't just take another year or two to really make this bill a work for the majority. What the hell was the rush? Seriously?? It's one of the most important bills in our history was forced down our throats. This bill should have never be passed without at least 70% approval. It's just too important for us all. I just can't believe how truly divided we are. Because this bill had NOTHING to do with healthcare reform. The clock was ticking. 70% of the population is against this monstrosity. If it drug on into the summer, it would guarantee Democrat defeat in November. As it is, they have 7 months to work on PR. After November, there is no chance of getting THAT bill passed. | ||
| Swordsman |
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| Cityxslicker |
It is nothing more than forced medical conscription, and should be met with the same ferver that the peacenicks and their conscientous objector opt outs were.... I suppose there is always Canada  I just have no faith in this sloth of a beauracracy that is about to be called 'medical reform' PS states are already lining up in lawsuit class action against it. | ||
| Phillyblast |
Okay, at least a couple of people got the reference. Faith in humanity having some sense of humor has returned. Thanks Court, love ya too. |
