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     Hex |
Your clan is really racking up an impressive score: "Authorities have identified John Patrick Bedell as the gunman in the Pentagon shooting. He appears to have been a right-wing extremist with virulent antigovernment feelings." http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0305/John-Patric k-Bedell-Did-right-wing-extremism-lead-to-shooting | ||
| Hootowl |
Lunatic fringe. They're out there. I reject the fanatics on the right. Do you reject the fanatics on the left? | ||
| Hex |
Absolutely. Do you consider non-violence fanaticism? | ||
| Reindog |
What is your point, Hex? What do you mean by clan, Hex? What about the Left wing nut job who flew his plane into the IRS building last week? What clan was he in? Are you attempting to equate Conservatism with extremism? Are you attempting to equate me with a deranged shooter? Good luck with your faux pacifism by hurling arrows. | ||
| Drkside79 |
There are extremists on both sides and they are all a bunch of Assholes IMO. | ||
| Aesquire |
Since the dept. of Fatherland Security declared that those who oppose higher taxes, believe in the Constitution, don't love the Obama admin., etc. are, by definition, "right wing extremists"... of COURSE he's a right wing extremist. He could have a Che t-shirt and believe that Mao is one of the great philosophers and he' still be a right wing extremist. False pacifists pick fights. | ||
| Hex |
I never said I was good at it. Just trying to be better. "Oh, Shame of it all..." -Chino | ||
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| Hootowl |
I do not consider non violence fanaticism. I respect the intent. I just don't think it is a very good idea when we have a group of people who have an expressed desire to kill us all. WALTER That's your answer to everything, Dude. And let me point out -- pacifism is not--look at our current situation with that camelf*cker in Iraq -- pacifism is not something to hide behind. DUDE Well, just take 't easy, man. WALTER I'm perfectly calm, Dude. DUDE Yeah? Wavin' a gun around?! WALTER Calmer than you are. DUDE Just take it easy, man! WALTER Calmer than you are. | ||
| Smokescreen |
The dude abides.  | ||
| Reepicheep |
Excellent question, now that I think about it. Absolute non violence as a personal choice in the face of your own well being is beyond good, and in fact I'll call it Holy. Interestingly, I would say absolute non violence in the face of the well being of another is beyond bad, and in fact I'll call it Evil. And for clarification, the violence required to protect another should be proportional to the threat, and end the moment the threat has been rendered moot. Beyond that, it's back in the Evil category (IMHO). Unfortunately, in a lot of situations, it is simply not practical to moderate the situation. And with regards to my world view above, I am very proud of the police and military forces of the United States. I'd put our record with regards to these views up against any civilization in the history of mankind. | ||
| 99savage |
Bush hating, military hating, Van Jones style 09/11 "truther" Should have applied for a Sub-Cabinet position in the Obama Administration has the same qualifications as the rest of them | ||
| Hootowl |
Lunatic fringe. They're out there. I reject the fanatics on the right. Do you reject the fanatics on the left? Hex Posted on Friday, March 05, 2010 - 11:20 am: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Absolutely. Do you consider non-violence fanaticism? ___________________________________ If you are implying that lefties are all pacifists, I would refer you to groups like ELF, The Weather Underground, etc. There are elements of the radical left in positions of power and influence right now in our government. People who have done violence, advocated violence, or tolerated it from others in their movement in support of their Progressive agenda. | ||
| P_squared |
LASTNAME,FIRSTNAME,MIDDLENAME Bedell,John,Patrick DATEOFBIRTH 5/20/1973 PLACEOFBIRTH CA REGDATE 20051006 GENDER M PARTY Democrat ACTIVECODE ACTIVE 1st registered Democrat I've seen that's a "right-wing extremist." Learn something new everyday I guess. Source: www.Electorates.us | ||
| Swordsman |
I've mentioned this before. My uncle lives in San Fran and works in a building that shares office space with a weapons contractor. Out of all the protests he's been witness to (and that's a LOT), he says the "peace" protesters are by FAR the most violent. Frenzied zealots more than willing to pull in totally innocent bystanders and start fights. ~SM | ||
| Hex |
Thanks Reep, that about sums up my opinion. Vengeance sucks. I've see a lot of it in ourselves since 9/11. I'm seeking non-violence only on a personal level. Never meant to imply that's what the left is about; however, I seriously question more of the right's motivation. Just wait till the FEAR-MONGERING starts as the right's party motivation (oh wait, it has never stopped...) Terrorists promote fear. The right promotes fear. Doesn't imply that terrorist and the right are one in the same, but if it quacks like a duck... | ||
| Hex |
I am very proud, as well, of the police and the US military. It's the politics that worry me. | ||
| Hootowl |
How does the right promote fear? By confronting unpleasant realities and attempting to warm people of the danger of continuing down the path of complacency? If not, can you cite an example? | ||
| P_squared |
...however, I seriously question more of the right's motivation. If you believe you're CSM article and the bogus lies coming from them & others of the MSM, I can believe that statement. The real question is when you are confronted with proof that the information is wrong, do you re-evaluate, or do you continue with the now proven false belief? I am very proud, as well, of the police and the US military. What did you do with the real Hex? It's the politics that worry me. See 1st question above. | ||
| Hex |
Is eternal damnation an unpleasant reality or a conveniently motivated theory? Fear of "socialism" unpleasant reality, or a conveniently motivated theory? Fear of "big government" unpleasant reality, or a conveniently motivated theory? Fear of "elitism" unpleasant reality, or a conveniently motivated UTOPIAN theory? It's all politics all the time. The right uses fear as a motivator. http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/0 3/03/rnc_fundraising Wednesday, Mar 3, 2010 18:28 EST Republican Party's 2010 fundraising strategy: fear Leaked document gives look into way RNC thinks of its donors; what's revealed isn't pretty By Alex Koppelman It hasn't been terribly hard to divine the Republicans' strategy for motivating their base this year -- they've made it pretty clear, after all. It's fear. Fear of President Obama, fear of change, fear of some giant socialist revolution, of death panels, of government bureaucrats and liberals and anything else that might pop up. Still, you wouldn't expect the Republican National Committee to come right out and admit to that. That's exactly what RNC Finance Director Rob Bickhart did, however, as part of a presentation he gave to donors and fundraisers last month. The presentation, obtained by Politico's Ben Smith, includes several slides that portray the GOP's own supporters in a very negative light, giving the impression that the RNC believes its donors are stupid, and that it plans to treat them that way. One of the slides (three can be seen below; the full presentation is available for download in PDF form here) divides donors into two groups -- major donors and smaller ones who are reached through direct marketing efforts. The latter group, the slide says, gives for visceral reasons: "Fear" and "Extreme negative feelings toward existing Administration" are listed. The slide also tags this group with a term usually used in an less-than-flattering sense: "Reactionary." The major donors don't fare much better; they give, the slide says, for "Networking Opportunities" and "Access" and they're "Ego-Driven." Another slide sums up the message this way: "What can you sell when you do not have the White House, the House or the Senate ...? Save the country from trending toward Socialism!" The RNC has moved quickly ot put some distance between itself and the presentation. "The document was used for a fundraising presentation Chairman [Michael] Steele did not attend, nor had he seen the document,” RNC Communications Director Doug Heye told Politico. “Obviously, the Chairman disagrees with the language and finds the use of such imagery to be unacceptable. It will not be used by the Republican National Committee -- in any capacity -- in the future." (The imagery referred to is, presumably, another slide that shows caricatures of Obama as well as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. It can be seen below.) The Democratic National Commitee used the occasion for a particularly vicious slam against its Republican counterpart. "If you had any doubt, any doubt whatsoever, that the Republican Party has been taken over by the fear-mongering lunatic fringe, those doubts were erased today. The Republican Party, which barely 20 percent of Americans will even admit they belong to anymore, seems hell bent on damaging their battered brand even further by engaging in the most despicable kind of imagery, tactics and rhetoric imaginable," DNC Communications Director Brad Woodhouse said in a statement e-mailed to reporters. "It's no wonder the RNC reacted with alarm when they learned the American people would see this presentation. This revealing document proves what the Republican party has long denied. But now, by their own admission, the express strategy of the Republican party is not to offer new ideas, but 'fear.' Republicans can no longer deny that they are peddling fear when they are literally selling it as their path back to power." One former RNC official told Salon he believes the story here is not the contents of the presentation but the fact that it became public because, according to Smith, a copy was left behind at the hotel where it was given. "I would be kicking somebody's ass for leaving something like that lying around," the former official said. "It's certainly not something that Chairman Steele needs to be dealing with, given his tenure as chair of the RNC, because it seems like just when things quiet down, something else comes up. To me, at least, in reading this and looking at it probably the bigger story is these things just keep popping up under his watch, as opposed to the actual content of this." The former RNC official did describe the material as being in "very poor taste," especially the images of Obama, Pelosi and Reid, and that the presentation was "ham-handed." But, they said, "I wouldn't say there was anything in there that really shocked me or surprised me." Referring to party committees and interest groups on both sides, the former official added, "Maybe I'm coming across as cynical, and I don't mean to be, but I guess from long years of doing this I'm not particularly shocked to see this ... I think that this is probably unfortunately a reflection of the state of political affairs today." | ||
| B00stzx3 |
This guy, IRS guy, Bill Ayers, Mcveigh.... Most people are sane, but the few nuts out there eat up the Glenn Beck and Keith Olbermann nuttiness and this is what happens. Domestic terrorism is terrorism no matter what side they're "on". (Message edited by b00stzx3 on March 05, 2010) | ||
| Blake |
Doesn't sound like any conservative view that I know. That jives more with Van Jones and his revolutionary Communists' views. Sorry Eric, I think the CSM got it wrong as the only evidence they present contradicts their desired conclusion. A right wing lunatic would be aiming his derangement at an abortionist, or far left political powers. The left winger loons hate the military establishment. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
This guy, IRS guy, Bill Ayers, Mcveigh.... Most people are sane, but the few nuts out there eat up the Glenn Beck and Keith Olbermann nuttiness and this is what happens. "OMFG! Obama wants to put all white people in camps! Cheney wants to sell your babies for oil! arrrghhhhhhh!!" | ||
| Blake |
Either way, it is inappropriate to lump others in with the violent extremist loons. Eric, you are steadily losing respect here for such intellectually dishonest comments. You seem intelligent. Wise up; be honest. | ||
| Blake |
"Obama wants to put all white people in camps!" I like camping. | ||
| Whatever |
If you had any doubt, any doubt whatsoever, that the Republican Party has been taken over by the fear-mongering lunatic fringe, those doubts were erased today. I have known this from, oh, let us say Mid December of 2001. It is not new to me one bit. The average American is not that smart... and the average retirement age religious right is not very bright either. The thing is, some people do not understand the pendulum swings both ways... I think if Bush were not the worst POTUS ever, that Obama would not have had a chance to get elected. As far as the shooter, I do not really care anything about his politics... just the Unabomber in different clothing... another wing nut that died "suicide by cop". I mean, really, did he think there would be any other outcome by attacking "the most fortified position of the most fortified building" in the nation? He was not so sharp either, was he? | ||
| P_squared |
Not answering the question, but changing course/topic I see Hex. Real simple - A guy who crashes a plane into a building or another guy who shoots 2 Pentagon guards are WHACKJOBS. No matter how much you would like to believe they are emblematic of what you perceive to be the "Right" they aren't. For once, I'd like whackjobs to be labeled for what they are, WHACKJOBS. Trying to tie the actions of the criminally insane to a political party in the hopes of furthering your own politics is just idiotic & contemptuous. | ||
| Reindog |
For once, I'd like whackjobs to be labeled for what they are, WHACKJOBS. Trying to tie the actions of the criminally insane to a political party in the hopes of furthering your own politics is just idiotic & contemptuous. That is exactly correct. This is why Hex starting this thread, gets an F for this one. Hex, you can do better and I expect you to do better. | ||
| Hex |
I'm just taking Ferris_von_Bueller's place in his absence, albeit from a different perspective. Let's see C- plus D+ plus F still equates to a passing grade from a biased professor. Cheers. |
