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Glitch
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


http://www.bloomenergy.com/
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2010/0222/Blo om-Box-What-is-it-and-how-does-it-work
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Spiderman
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm DVRing it and will make a decision from there. But from one of the links you need to ad a fuel, fossil or other...
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Faseljd
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes, I think it will come down to what kind of fuel you use, the cost of that fuel and how much of that fuel it will take to run the Bloombox. I'll bet if everyone used one and say used natural gas or propane to fuel then the fuel prices would probably skyrocket up.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Deceptive reporting:


quote:

Ebay installed five Bloom Boxes nine months ago, and they fuel about 15 percent of its San Jose campus, said CEO John Donahoe in the 60 Minutes interview. “It’s been very successful thus far,” Mr. Donahoe says, adding that the company has saved $100,000 in electricity costs already.




The above conveniently ignores the cost of the equipment itself. For the referenced ebay installation, not including the required installation labor or civils work, equipment cost would be between $3,500,000 to $4,000,000.

At a savings of $100,000 over a period of nine months, the payback, not even figuring in any time-value of money, will be ...

Payback = $4,000,000 * 9 mo / $100,000 = 360 months (30 years)

Fail.

Except of course that you and I are probably funding much of these projects as our government grants the wealthy users of it huge tax incentives to do so.

Will it be worth the "investment"? I sure hope so.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake, the stable owners & horse breeders said much the same thing when the automobile first appeared.
I'm happy to reserve judgement til we can see if it's a viable road to travel.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 04:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think the technology is sound. Its a bit early to hype it like eBay is though.

When production ramps up, and the costs come down (manufacturer claims $2000 is the residential pricepoint) then I'll get excited. After all, 2000 is cheap for a whole-house generator, which is effectively what this is.

These could solve the issue of updating the electric grid, as power would be produced at the point it is used. But what about the gas pipeline infrastructure? Can in handle the increased volume?
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Skinstains
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Smoke and mirrors, it's all smoke and mirrors.
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Cycleaddict
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

snake oil .
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Jandj_davis
Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There is no discussion on how efficient it is. If it still uses fossil fuels, how is it an improvement?
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Brighton
Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The claim is that it will be much more efficient than the ~ 25% efficiency of the current power grid.

Also, the claim is that it can use other fuels, not just fossil fuels.

The venture capitalists have put about $400-million into this, making it their biggest gamble ever.
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46champ
Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Quote...The venture capitalists have put about $400-million into this, making it their biggest gamble ever.

Their biggest gamble since the dot com fiasco. Sometimes I get the feeling that venture capitalists are just looking for the quick buck. Will this be the same?
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