| Author | Message | ||
     Delta_one |
http://www.erikbuellracing.com/race-bike.htm bottom of the page... | ||
| Jaimec |
Only 25 more days to wait till they post a photo. | ||
| Ochoa0042 |
is that liter bike territory? | ||
| Phelan |
Or better?  185RWHP is well over 200 at the crank  . | ||
| Rocketman |
Or better? 185RWHP is well over 200 at the crank . Ducati's 1198R, that's the special one, rates at 180 crank HP (Ducati figure). Independent dynos show it around 138rwhp. I'm saying nothing. Coughbullsheeeeecough. Rocket | ||
| Phillyblast |
 138? Maybe in Streetfighter trim, but not in R tune. From the Motorcyclist review | ||
| Larryjohn |
Ducati's 1198R, that's the special one, rates at 180 crank HP (Ducati figure). Independent dynos show it around 138rwhp. I'm saying nothing. Coughbullsheeeeecough. Now I have no idea if it is "Coughbullsheeeecough" as you say and I am no expert in these things but I would have to think that claiming/advertising/promising 185rwhp and not delivering could be devastating for EBR. I have always thought (and could definitely be wrong) that this is why manufacturers always advertise crank hp. Tougher to prove. But not being able to meet claimed HP numbers could result in a lawsuit. Didn't Hyundai have to settle a class action lawsuit about HP claims being exaggerated? Also, I think exaggerated rwhp numbers could be really tough for EBR. If I were a professional racing team and wanted to purchase said 185 rwhp bike, I would not take delivery and not pay for said bike until this claim was verified. Again, this could all be BS as you say and EBR could be as dishonest as you allude, but since I have no inside knowledge I will tend to believe the claim until I see proof otherwise. Just sayin. | ||
| Ponti1 |
Ducati's 1198R, that's the special one, rates at 180 crank HP (Ducati figure). Independent dynos show it around 138rwhp. I'm saying nothing. Coughbullsheeeeecough. Rocket And, of course, NOTHING could ever touch a Ducati...Right? Guess that "special one" might not be the only "special one" out there. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I doubt EBR will be BSing their numbers. See http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/518095.html?1259848512 for dyno charts - all THREE versions, STD correction, SAE correction, and uncorrected - of my bone stock 1125cr. 146 sounds perfectly reasonable, if not conservative...and I'd bet the 1190 is going to be just as stout. It's a shame 'slick won the series on such a coughbullsheeeeecough bike. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
"It's a shame 'slick won the series on such a coughbullsheeeeecough bike." +1, and I also wonder how many Duc's were behind the three top ten buell finishers in the last AMA Superbike race in New Jersey as well as a host of Japanese bikes. ON A BASICALLY STOCK 1125ccRR. Erik does not "brag" about performance, he just delivers. I can't wait 'til spring and the 2010 racing begins. No matter what happens with rules, riders, etc. it will be another great year especially in AMA. | ||
| Blake |
Sean, That is the street bike, in street bike form; you know, the one without the race ECM, race exhaust, race-tuned cam timing, racing fuel, and a whole host of other professional race engine preparation/parts. Racing fuel itself can add 4% to an engine's performance. | ||
| Rocketman |
You don't by any chance think the Euro model is aimed at BSB do you? Next year BSB is running a change from the regular Privateers Cup. In 2010 the MCE Insurance British Superbike Championship (BSB) will have an innovative new look following the approval by the Motorcycle Circuit Racing Control Board of a new BSB 'Evolution' class. BSB Evo has been proposed by series promoters MSVR and backed by the BSB manufacturer and team liaison groups and will replace the current Privateers Cup. It will be open to anyone in the series from the official manufacturer-backed teams through to independent entries and will allow homologated machines with full Superbike racing rolling chassis to retain the very important visual impression but engines will have to be built to very stringent "Stock" regulations. Along with standard engines a series specified control ECU device that eliminates any form of traction control, launch control and anti-wheelie devices will be compulsory. The new class will be introduced next season alongside existing full FIM World Championship specification Superbikes and is planned to encourage new rider, team and manufacturer participation as well as yielding significant annual budget relief in the region of up to 200,000 per team in tuning, engine rebuilds and complex electronic packages. BSB Series Director Stuart Higgs said: "This is a significant development for BSB. With the support of the manufacturers and teams we have safeguarded the future of the series by opening up opportunities that were being obstructed simply by the prohibitive costs. The objective is that the BSB Evo class will compliment the current full FIM WSB specification bikes and provide our audiences with a full grid of the best teams and riders on as many different eligible makes of motorcycle as possible. By radically grasping the issue of electronics we will eliminate a significant cost and regain some of the spectacle that fans and riders are clearly missing. There will be a minimal performance difference between the two specifications, however the overall situation of more teams, riders and manufacturers and above all significant cost savings will fully vindicate the introduction of the BSB Evo class. Rocket | ||
| Dentguy |
+1, and I also wonder how many Duc's were behind the three top ten buell finishers in the last AMA Superbike race in New Jersey as well as a host of Japanese bikes. ON A BASICALLY STOCK 1125ccRR. 0 Ducatis behind the Buells in both races. But remember it's a bike and RIDER race. Just to be clear, neither race had 3 Buells finish in the top ten. Race 1 had 2 Buells in the top ten and race 2 had 1 Buell in the top ten. The Buells and their RIDERS did well. What is a basically stock 1125RR? | ||
| Rick_a |
The 1098R is stifled by the stock exhaust and EPA friendly tune. They're known to make over 170RWHP tuned and with the full race Termignoni system installed. To be fair it is a street legal bike...not a race only machine. BTW, our Dynojet showed it at 158RWHP with the street legal cans and almost 90ft-lbs of torque. This is from a different review of the same bike.  I'm not sure what dyno they used... (Message edited by Rick_A on December 06, 2009) | ||
| Elvis |
0 Ducatis behind the Buells in both races. Barrett Long was on a 1098R at Mid-Ohio and Taylor Knapp beat him with his 1125RR in both races. | ||
| Dentguy |
0 Ducatis behind the Buells in both races. Barrett Long was on a 1098R at Mid-Ohio and Taylor Knapp beat him with his 1125RR in both races. I agree and Larry Pegram riding a 1098R finished in front of Knapp by about 40 seconds in both of the races at Mid-Ohio. My post was referring to Bob_thompson's question about New Jersey. | ||
| Blake |
That may be accurate on the surface. It sure isn't honest. | ||
| Boltrider |
The Daytona Sportbike numbers look very conservative to me. So I see no reason why EBR would embellish on the other bikes yet be conservative with the DSB bike. | ||
| Dentguy |
That may be accurate on the surface. It sure isn't honest. Blake, are referring to my post as being dishonest or the race results? If my post please explain. (Message edited by dentguy on December 06, 2009) | ||
| Anonymous |
Unquestionably Larry's 1098 was faster than the Buells at New Jersey. Everyone in the paddock knows it is a full works factory bike with a few of the trick parts taken off. Not a $39,000 bike, but a $100,000 bike. It is the most powerful bike in the field. These bikes are way tricker andd faster than some people would have you believe. Just ask Barret how his 1098 compared in speed with Larry's! I do not believe the Buells finished 40 seconds behind, in fact it took Larry a number of laps to get past Cory and make it stick because Cory was so quick in the infield and could outbrake Larry (I know, ZTL brakes out doing works Brembos, how ridiculous, couldn't be blah, blah, blah). Right. Next time actually go and watch, OK? And Taylor was quicker, but was knocked off the track and crashed when Bostrom crashed and Pegram ran into Taylor avoiding the crash. Larry came over afterwards looking at Cory's bike and said "That is by far the best handling bike out there." BTW, Taylor finished 12th after riding a crashed bike up from a stop and go drive through penalty, and his bike was misfiring because of some damaged electrical parts from the crash. Do we have more horsepower now than then? Yes. Do we have as much power as Larry's bike? No. Does the 1190 have more power than the 1125? Yes. Good grief, we just started developing this thing with a grand team of four people. We ran it conservatively at New Jersey to make sure we had no issues. | ||
| Dentguy |
"I do not believe the Buells finished 40 seconds behind, in fact it took Larry a number of laps to get past Cory and make it stick because Cory was so quick in the infield and could outbrake Larry (I know, ZTL brakes out doing works Brembos, how ridiculous, couldn't be blah, blah, blah). Right. Next time actually go and watch, OK?" http://amaproracing.com/rr/events/results.cfm?year =2009&eid=2009010945&discipline=RR&class=SB&type=F &rnum=1 http://amaproracing.com/rr/events/results.cfm?year =2009&eid=2009010945&discipline=RR&class=SB&type=F &rnum=2 Next time actually go and watch, OK? Looks like about 40 seconds to me. Actually about 40 and 42. Get past Cory? Was Cory in that race? You should know better than I as someone who says to "Next time actually go and watch, OK". Maybe you should read my posts. You may be confusing a few races. This is what I said about Mid-Ohio... "I agree and Larry Pegram riding a 1098R finished in front of Knapp by about 40 seconds in both of the races at Mid-Ohio. " I don't think I have said anything bad about the ZTL brakes, blah, blah, blah. Thanks for the " Next time actually go and watch, OK?" comment, but I can't make it to all the races and usually get to see more of the race and track on TV. Why the attitude? (Message edited by dentguy on December 06, 2009) | ||
| Delta_one |
I love how you guys are all arguing power numbers, and lap times. 1190 more powerful than an 1125? heck no! they added the extra cc's just for fun. oh yea and cuz it sounds cool too.  if an 1125RR can turn 175HP why would 185HP seem unrealistic with an extra 65cc's? the only thing I want to really know is how can my broke @** get one? and where is that legal loophole to put one on the street? I haven't raced a street bike ever and can't afford to but I still love to look at them and dream. I guess I figured everybody would be as exited as me about the 1190RR news. at the very least it shows that EBR hit the ground running and will continue to innovate and develop better and faster motorcycles. (Message edited by delta_one on December 06, 2009) | ||
| Blake |
Why the attitude? Probably because you are behaving rudely and acting like a jackass. Race #1 at NJ, Taylor Knapp finished 6th, 5.4 seconds back of Pegram in 5th, ahead of factory Suzuki racer Blake Young, ahead of Team Jordan racer Geoff May, and ahead of factory Honda and former WSBK champion, Neil Hodgeson. Race #2 at NJ, Cory West finished just 5.1 seconds back of Pegram and ahead of Blake Young (factory Suzuki) and Geoff May (Jordan Suzuki) Why the attitude? Because your posts here are dishonest, choosing to only report information that casts the 1125RR in a less impressive light, telling only a part of the story. That and your contributions here come off incredibly arrogant, ignorant leaving a distinct stench of troll. Prove me wrong. Apologize for the misleading posts, stop crapping on the thread, and become a thoughtful positive contributor to the forum. Otherwise, take a hike. (Message edited by blake on December 06, 2009) | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
and you little dog too!!!..... sorry.... just sounded funny in my head..... | ||
| Delta_one |
wholly hostility Batman! QUICK! to the backfire board Robin!  | ||
| Dentguy |
Come on Blake, what is dishonest and misleading about my posts in this thread? Bob_thompson wrote... "+1, and I also wonder how many Duc's were behind the three top ten buell finishers in the last AMA Superbike race in New Jersey as well as a host of Japanese bikes. ON A BASICALLY STOCK 1125ccRR." I wrote "0 Ducatis behind the Buells in both races. But remember it's a bike and RIDER race. Just to be clear, neither race had 3 Buells finish in the top ten. Race 1 had 2 Buells in the top ten and race 2 had 1 Buell in the top ten. The Buells and their RIDERS did well." If you are taking my emphasis on RIDERS as taking something away from Buell it wasn't meant that way. I put the emphasis on riders because I think most of them are more important than a competitive bike (any brand). The bikes don't ride themselves and I personally care more about who rides the bike and their style than what they ride. Elvis wrote... Barrett Long was on a 1098R at Mid-Ohio and Taylor Knapp beat him with his 1125RR in both races. I wrote.... I agree and Larry Pegram riding a 1098R finished in front of Knapp by about 40 seconds in both of the races at Mid-Ohio. My post was referring to Bob_thompson's question about New Jersey. If there is something in there that is dishonest or misleading, I will apologize. But, I think it is the truth. Bob_thompson wondered how many Ducs were behind the Buells in New Jersey and I gave him the answer. Elvis responded with a comment about the Buell/Duc finish in Ohio and I responded with another Buell/Duc finish in Ohio. My post in response to the Anonymous post had no more attitude than his. I was only backing up my facts with links. Nothing dishonest or misleading. I didn't say anything bad about Buell, the bikes or riders. I did say "the Buells and their riders did well" at the end of my first post. I thought that was a good thing. I am guilty of posting facts and if that is wrong, I'm not sure what to say. I was not trying to put anything Buell in a bad light. That is not my intention. (Message edited by dentguy on December 07, 2009) | ||
| Dentguy |
Let me add one more thing to try and be clear about my Buell feelings. I think Erik Buell is a brilliant man and I think the bikes are great. I think it sucks how this whole Buell shutdown thing went down and I wish it didn't happen. I have been to 3 different dealers about getting a new Buell, but it didn't work out and that may not be done just yet. That said, I don't drink enough of any brands Kool-Aid to overlook any facts about bikes, racing, results, etc. I am straight forward and I call it like it is. If I say something that isn't true I want to be corrected and will apologize. | ||
| Rocketman |
Well I still find it hard to believe an 1190 will put 185rwhp down. Clearly I've been away that long I'm out of touch. I demand to see the proof. But wait. Isn't the 11 whatever competitive through handling but not a winner at WSBK level because it's down on power compared to the 185 ish rwhp put down by the competitive Japanese and Italians? Rocket | ||
| Ezblast |
No - keep up - he is talking rwhp - no crank, and as a race bike that is entirely possible. EZ | ||
| Blake |
I accept your intent was not trollish Steve. It seemed very strange that you ignored the stats for the NJ races, where the Buell 1125RR entries/racers/team achieved amazing results for a brand new racing program/machine. |
