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Bigdaddy
Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Babelfish can lead you straight down the path of confusion. It does provide a useful service, but literal, word for word, translation just doesn't work very well.

As a native speaker of a foreign language I'm sometimes quite amused by automated translation services.

Tramp,

"Jumped , countless times, out of some wonderful C130s,..." I've never seen a "wonderful" C130 and I have exited a few myself. I had 3 CONUS tours at Bragg and everyone of them sucked -- I did dig the C141 and going Hollywood. I don't have countless jumps myself, but I do have 366 in the books.

Did you spend some time at DLI/Presidio? If so when were you there and which department? I'm not nitpicking you, just wondering if we crossed paths. I know a ton of active, and retired 98G's, and many other 98's/97's that did Presidio for linguistic immersion training.



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Tramp
Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

bigdaddy
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PM incoming
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 10:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I love to translate something through four languages and back to english. The outcome is usually pretty funny.
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Keys
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OK, here's my question. On the subject that came up here regarding gull wings. What was the first car with gullwing doors? And what is the lore of the Delorian?

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Court
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 07:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Only one I am aware of is the Mercedes -Benz 300SL Gull Wing. Former partner (and RS1200 rider) bought one.....pricey little rascals.

There were 2 made in Aluminum. Ralph Lauren has one, not sure where the other is.

I suspect there have been other gull wing vehicles.
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Buellbozo
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

production deloreans were built in ireland with stainless steel body panels and renault v6 drivetrains.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think just the outside of the body was metal. I think I read that the body was mostly composite with a "foil" outer covering.

The frames were NOT stainless but now there ais a company making them in stainless for thoes that have a minty-looking DeLorean with rotted out undersides.
http://www.pearce-design.com/PFPictures.html
too pretty to be hidden under a car!
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've seen DeLorean's that were painted! The owner hated the way the stainless steel body panels ( on a composite body ) showed fingerprints.

The Corsair was the first plane planned to use the 2000hp R2800 engine. The gull wing was both for ground clearance ( shorter gear legs w/ mucking huge prop ) and to have the wings come out of the body at 90 degrees, instead of the body on top of the wings. This let them use a smaller fillet to fair out the wing/body joint. Less drag.

The Marines were first in combat with the Corsair. Issues with the shocks (bounce, bounce), and a habit of dropping a wing on landing delayed Navy fleet use. At slow speeds, the fairly straight-back airflow from the prop became a spiral, stalling one wing first, if you slammed the power on to try to save it, the torque would snap roll you into the ground anyway. A little piece of angle iron on one wing & mods to the shocks fixed it up ok. I Don't think the Stuka had a lot to do with the Corsair's shape, but could be.

Meanwhile Grumman was tasked to come up with a replacement, if the Corsair didn't work out, & came up with the F6F Hellcat, using the same engine. ( the prototype F6F used a Wright 2600, & the story is more complicated, but hey. ) The Hellcat was easy to fly, if a bit slower than the Corsair ( different ram air setups ) and proved a very capable fighter. The Corsair was a better bomber though, and outlasted most all of it's WW2 contemporaries. ( The a-26 Intruder from Douglas was used in 'Nam, and Various trainers from WW2 were used as bargain anti insurgent bombers )

Corvairs ruled. Briefly. Some day I'll forgive Nader.

Convair made Jets.
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Vegasbueller
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Convair made some really cool aircraft. Have a look at this beast:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap39.htm
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Vegasbueller
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

On the subject of aircraft... my vote for the meanest, fastest, nastiest airplane in existence is right here:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/airdef/f-104.htm

I have had the pleasure of watching a pair of F-104's perform at Nellis AFB in Las Vegas. I haven't seen a modern aircraft that gives you the goosebumps like these things do when they fly over! Aptly nicknamed the "Lawn Dart" unfortunately because it has killed so many pilots.

There is a guy who brought one of these out of mothballs took the wings off of it and fitted it with a special undercarriage in an attempt to break the worlds land speed record. I am not sure how that turned out though.
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Loki
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

One time...

While hanging out at Brindisi(Italy) on the govs dime. This would have been late '94 by the way. We was workin our Talon over after it came home to roost. Heard this god-awfulest screaching scream come rolling by us. Turned out to be a pair of Starfighters rollin into a roost.
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 08:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i meant the A7 Corsair jet, not the convair (which I referred to it as)
....all this corvair/corsair mumbo-jumbo...
anyway, it was those A7s screaming in that blew my mind more than once....
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Tripper
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Corsair
Andrew Howard Tripp next to "MARINE'S DREAM".
His Great-Uncle, Howard Thayer was a Marine pilot who flew the Corsair in WWII.

Andy carries his first name, I carry his last name.

photo credit: David Thayer Tripp
(Message edited by tripper on December 22, 2005)

(Message edited by tripper on December 22, 2005)
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

18 rising suns.
HOO-rah!
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Keys
Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

GREAT Pic of the corsair.

Speaking of the Starfighter though. The scene in "The Right Stuff" when Sam Shepard as Yeager gets ready to mount up the Starfighter... wow!

Your vote for the Starfighter has been recorded!

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Vegasbueller
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Loki and Keys: Yep, it is an umistakeable kind of sound when those guys fly over. I was always a big fan of the Warthog and thought that was the meanest out there till I had the chance to see the Starfighter do it's trick! Ohh yeah, The Right Stuff... what a movie! I have to watch that again now that I finally got the surround sound working.
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Tramp
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ya oughta hear a A7 corsair at full thrust....
dang!
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Vegasbueller
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Never had the pleasure, but have heard the WWII version. I have to imagine that hearing a full squadron fly over was quite the ear candy.

A7 was single engine, right?
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yep. A snubby, non afterburnered revamp of the F8U Crusader. Known as a dangerous people eater on Carrier flight decks, since the air intake was right at human height. If I remember right, a Corsair II could carry the same bomb load as a formation of B17's, the same distance, at 600 miles an hour. For Ugly & Nasty, a A10 Warthog rules.
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Tramp
Posted on Sunday, December 25, 2005 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The A7 seemed like a sort of engine with wings...what a roar, man....
That howl was like St. Michael answering prayers with a death-roar....
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Bomber
Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A7s were also a fave of line dogs -- they had the ability to put things zactly where you asked, which is a great boon when you're in the neighborhood

question for the Century Fighter fans -- am I correct in remembering that the UDeuece was developed from the 104?

Aesquire -- I'm thinkin Nader will get his reward in an appropriate manner -- our forgiveness ain't necessary ;-}
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"bomber" posted:
"A7s were also a fave of line dogs -- they had the ability to put things zactly where you asked, which is a great boon when you're in the neighborhood "
that's me point.
Roar of St. Michael raining blows
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Bomber
Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

YAY, Saint Mike!

Ain't no atheists in a Hot LZ

;-}
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Xlcr
Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes, the U2 was an F104 with extended wings and much greater fuel capacity.
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Bomber
Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

XL -- thanks for the backup, sir! I appreciate it!
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