| Author | Message | ||
     Tramp |
oh, look- the german navy used 'em too! http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNAust_12-45.htm | ||
| Tramp |
POsted by xlcr: "PS, those big guns you were talking about were built by Krupp, NOT Skoda. Give it up, you're just getting in deeper. (Message edited by xlcr on December 16, 2005)" * * in response to me, Tramp, stating: " the tatra and skoda were both part of the german war machine. skoda, a much bigger manufacturer of automobiles form the same region as the tatra (& now owned by VW) built the big guns for kaiser." xlcr: you have zero credibilty. you talk smack you are bordering on delusional. I'm honestly beginning to feel guilty for even engaging you on this stuff. ..and I should give it up? (Message edited by tramp on December 17, 2005) | ||
| Tramp |
" BASIC INFORMATION : Designation: Skoda 30.5 Manufacturer: Country: Austria Service Date: 1910 Type: Mobile Howitzer Crew: 12 DIMENSIONS: Length: Width: Height: Weight: 28 tons PERFORMANCE STATISTICS: Powerplant: Towed artillery. Max Speed: Max Range: 13,124 yards MAIN ARMAMENT(S): 1 x 30.5 cm barrel " source: http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=113 (I've spent quyite a bit of time at their factory,as I'd said. The factory is one of the biggest bus-stops between praha and liberec, on the turnov busses upo to harrachov, where I trained when I was racing and where I've developed and run the ski school of my father-in-law. I also had to study much of this stuff in language school, but that's another story altogether. | ||
| Tramp |
xlcr said: "Also, Harley states in their own literature that all pistons are made by Mahle. Surely if you 'know' about the cases you'd know that. If such cases do exist, they probably made them. Unfortunately, you can't find out everything by Googling, or by looking in the dictionary. Nor have I ever 'cut and pasted' anything. I don't need to. I have a huge reference library, and I rarely forget what I read. " 8 * * i never stated that I didn't know that. eveidently you remember even more stuff that you've never read. you are seriously delusional and devoid of all credibility. | ||
| Tramp |
huh- check out the 7th listed nickname for the Corsair, AND the FACTUAL purpose of the tall prop (I belive xlcr stated that theres' no way to know why they used a tall prop): "History: Development of the Corsair began in 1938, when the US Navy issued a request for a new single-seat carrier-based fighter. The Chance-Vought company won the contract with their unique, gull-winged airframe pulled by the largest engine then available, the Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp. The wing design was necessitated by the tall landing gear which was, in turn, necessitated by the huge propeller required to propel the plane at the desired high speeds. Nicknames: Bend-Wing Bird; Bent-Wing Ensign Eliminator; Bent-Wing Monster; Whistling Death; Horseshoe; Super Stuka; U-Bird, Hose Nose; Hog Nose; Sweetheart; Hog. (source:http://www.warbirdalley.com/f4u.htm) | ||
| Vegasbueller |
I also saw an interview with "Pappy" and he said that they did use that big propeller to actually take a chunk out of the tail sections of enemy aircraft. That would have to be scary! | ||
| Tramp |
yep- he used to dare japanese zero pilots to knock the battery off his shoulder. "c'mon..i DARE ya" | ||
| Vegasbueller |
 Aww man, I had forgot about that commercial! I haven't seen that actor since then either. That may be why! | ||
| Court |
Dave Loggins and Kenny Loggins are unrelated. "Please Come to Boston" was a cut from the Apprentice in a Musical Workshop album that has been out of print ("press" or whatever) for years. It's also one that eludes me as to why it never ended up in CD format. The album was one of the most inspired works I've ever listened to and was notable for the clean press....one of the most noise free vinyl surfaces I've ever heard. Fortunately, call me old-fashioned, I saved my albums. If anyone wants to volunteer to put it on CD, I'll send you the album. P.S. - Those chords from "chordie" are a fairly rough rendition. | ||
| Xldevil |
http://www.motorrad-bild.de/ta_marken/harley-davidson/modell/evosoftail.htm Im Lastenheft für die Weiterentwicklung des klassischen Bauprinzips standen neben mehr Motorleistung, kräftigerem Drehmoment und ausgewogener Laufruhe, hohe Passgenauigkeit aller Bauteile, eine beständige Thermik, Langlebigkeit und Wartungsfreundlichkeit, aber vor allem Öldichtigkeit. Schmierige Öllachen unter geparkten Harleys sollten in Zukunft der Vergangenheit angehören. Für die Fertigung der Zylinderköpfe und Zylinder war Harley kein Material zu teuer. Als Rohstoff für diese Teile diente eine hochwertige Aluminiumlegierung. Auf die Idee, präzise gefertigte Mahle Kolben aus Stuttgart zu verwenden, brachten die Harley-Techniker die Versuchsingenieure aus der Edelschmiede Porsche in Weissach. Für das zukunftsweisende Projekt hatten die Amis nämlich keinen Geringeren als gerade dieses renommierte Entwicklungszentrum als Partner gewonnen. In aufwändigen Prüfstandsversuchen, insgesamt sollten es über 5600 Stunden werden, wurde der Motor mit unterschiedlichen Ventilgrößen, Ventilwinkel, Brennraumformen und Zündkerzen-Platzierung sowie verschiedenen Verdichtungsverhältnissen in Hinsicht auf Leistungssteigerung, Laufcharakteristik, Abgasentwicklung und Benzinverbrauch auf ein Optimum getrimmt. Ebenfalls gründlich überarbeitet wurde das Schmiersystem sowie die kontaktlose Transistorzündanlage. Über gut sieben Jahre erstreckte sich die Entwicklungsarbeit, in der Fahrerprobung musste der Motor bis zum endgültigen Serienstart zusätzlich über eine viertel Million Testkilometer absolvieren. Das Ergebnis konnte sich sehen lassen. Im Vergleich zum Shovelhead-Triebwerk war das Evo-Aggregat leichter und kompakter und sah dazu auch noch bildschön aus. Nach modernster Herstellung, gekoppelt mit strengen Fertigungskontrollen, brachte es das 65 PS starke Triebwerk tatsächlich auf japanisches Niveau. Bei aller Euphorie für die amerikanische Legende wollte das schon etwas heißen! In fact,HD was supported by the Porsche Development Dept.during the period of Evo-engine evolution. And they were definitely involved in the V-Rod engine: http://www2.porscheengineering.de/pdf/1-2003_PE-Magazine_d.pdf (Message edited by xldevil on December 17, 2005) | ||
| Xldevil |
Btw.Porsche was Austrian, not German. http://www.rasscass.com/templ/te_bio.php?PID=172&RID=1 He did not actually steel the design from Ledwinka, he " looked him over the shoulder, sometimes",designing the Volkswagen. /qoute THE VOLKSWAGEN CONNECTION It's not difficult to spot the close resemblance between the T97 and the Volkswagen Beetle. That's because their history and development have overlapped. For several years during the 1930s - whilst Tatra was working on the construction of the 1931 and 1933 rear-engined aerodynamic prototypes and Porsche was developing the Volkswagen (VW) KdF-Wagen - Hans Ledwinka and Ferdinand Porsche regularly met to discuss their automotive work and designs. As Porsche later admitted in his own words he occasionally 'looked over the shoulder' of his contemporary. When the T97 was introduced in 1936 it was perhaps the most advanced small car in the world. But Porsche was still working on the development of the VW KdF-Wagen under an enormous time pressure from Adolf Hitler, who wanted to use the car for his promotion purposes. Hitler however considered the T97 to be too similar to his KdF-Wagen which was to be produced at the new Volkswagen factory in Wolfsburg, Germany, even though the T97 was listed at more then five and a half times the KdF-Wagen's target selling price. In 1939 Hitler ordered to remove the T97 and the popular T57 from the Berlin Autosalon because of their close resemblance to the KdF-Wagen which was introduced at the 1939 Autosalon. http://www.tatra.demon.nl/cars_history_T97.htm | ||
| Tramp |
thanks on both posts, xldevil. in fact, i'm certain that were we to find a similarly candid quote from ledwinka, he'd admit to looking over porsche's shoulder, as well. This is my point- at that period in central european geopolitics, they were, in fact, "on the same team". and, yes, most folks aware of ferry porsche's origins are aware he was austrian. and speaking of austrian rear-engine aircool boxer sportscars, The denzel was an interesting piece of austrian arcana. | ||
| Tramp |
Babelfish translation (done digitally, so it's a llittle too literal) of xldevil's cited quote: "In the work statement for the advancement of the classical building principle were located apart from more engine performance, stronger torque and balanced quiet running, high register accuracy of all construction units, a steady thermionics, longevity and wartungsfreundlichkeit, but above all oil tightness. Smudgy oellachen under parked Harleys should belong to the past in the future. For the manufacturing of the cylinder heads and cylinders Harley material was not too expensive. As raw material for these parts a high-quality aluminum alloy served. On the idea to use precisely manufactured meal piston made of Stuttgart the Harley technicians brought attempt engineers from the noble edelschmiede Porsche in white oh. For the trend-setting project the Amis had won no smaller one as straight this renowned development center than partners. In aufwaendigen test stand attempts, altogether it should become over 5600 hours, the engine with different valve sizes, valve angles, combustion chamber forms and spark plug placement as well as different compression ratios in regard to increase in output, run characteristic, exhaust development and gasoline consumption to an optimum was trimmed. The lubrication system as well as the contactless transistor ignition system were likewise thoroughly revised. Over well seven years the development extended, in the driver rehearsing had the engine up to the final series start additionally over one quarter million test kilometer to complete. The result could be able to be seen. In the comparison to the Shovelhead engine the Evo aggregate was easier and more compact and looked also still picture beautiful in addition. After most modern production, coupled with strict production controls, it actually brought 65 HP the strong engine on Japanese level. With all euphoria for the American legend that wanted to mean already somewhat!" | ||
| Xlcr |
Sure, Skoda made guns, and also tanks in WWII, but when people say big guns, I assume they mean the Paris Gun of WWI, and the huge railroad guns they used in the Crimea in WWII, and they were built by Krupp. They are also far more known than Skoda's guns. Krupp is the company that designed the first rifled steel artillery, and their guns have a world-wide reputation. They are also located in Germany. They were instrumental in winning the Austrio-German War of 1866, and the Franco-German war of 1870. Skoda is well known, but for a very large variety of products, and more cars and small arms than anything else. And incidentally, you still need to correct your fractured and racist version of German history. As far as the Historian thing, I'm sticking to MY guns. What I said is correct, you can deny it all you want but I could care less. Also, Porsche was sued and had to pay a cash settlement for, "looking over Ledwinka's shoulder" after the war. You can call it any polite thing you like, but I call it stealing. If you found a quote from Ledwinka, he would probably say that he was a fool to trust his 'friend'. The T-97, as I already mentioned, was surpressed because the Volkswagen was too obviously a copy of it. Nice quotes above, and I am willing to admit the possibility that Porsche had some design input, but I still don't see proof that they actually made production cases, just prototype ones. You see, Porsche Design is actually a separate and semi-autonomous company from the Porsche car company. They are supposed to have a 'firewall' between them, because Porsche Design takes on highly secret projects for other manufacturers. If there was a fear that information would 'leak through' a lot of companies would pull their business. Porsche Design has fabrication facilities, but not production facilities, they are not in the business of production, only design. Harley's business has only ever been with them. And now that it's obvious, you are saying you knew Mahle made the pistons all along. NICE SAVE! but I'm not buying it. As far as the Corsair's prop, I said I didn't know why the Stuka had bent wings, if you go back a few posts, I clearly stated twice that the Corsair needed clearance for it's prop. I guess now you are stooping to changing what I say to 'win' the argument. But, really, you've already lost, because you've lost your head over this, and seem almost hysterical. How many posts did you make in the last 24 hours? You're going to wear poor Google out. Lucky they don't charge for their services. You know don't you, that this is my main recreation? I certainly won't bother to make more than a post or two a day, but I will hang in there, so you had best pace yourself. Also, speaking of the Corsair, a great many experts now consider it to be the finest fighter of WWII, not the P-51. They both survived to fight in Korea, but the Corsair was still a front-line ground-attack plane for the Navy well into the '50s, using the 3200 HP Wasp Major and reaching 500 MPH. They continued with it until it was replaced by another prop plane, the Douglas Skyraider, better known as the 'Spad', which flew and fought until the end of the Vietnam War. | ||
| Dbird29 |
Looks like XLCR has that "ol man" strength that will win in the long run. What was the argument about? | ||
| Bob_thompson |
First of all my apologies to Keys for my addition about Corvairs and pulling away from your original post. To get back to what you said. I agree completely, Buell's and Corsairs are what I also love. I like simple, allbeit somewhat older technology. Big torque and a sweet handling package as both, were and Buell still is. I have always loved, in cars, the Ford Cobras for the same reason. Watching the Reno air races on television several times in the past few years I don't recall seeing a Corsair though. Sad. A few P-51 Mustangs still compete in warbirds class but owners are having a hard time finding parts to keep them flying. (sound familiar)? Although we're not there yet with parts and help with people like Daves. Thanks. There is much more state of the art technology out there but for the pure seat of the pants feeling when riding that I think our WW2 pilots felt while flying I will enjoy my Buell for many years to come. Thanks Erik. Bob | ||
| Tom_b |
I don't think anyone but tramp or Xlcr really car about the argument. But I love old warplanes and the corsair is one of my favorite, i even have an oil painting of one on my office wall. | ||
| Xlcr |
This argument started because on another thread I got angry enough at another guy to make some pretty firm statements about my data base. I WAS actually pushing it a little far, because this guy make the mistake of just flat telling me I knew nothing about the subject. THEN Tramp weighted in, not to contest my main points, but to nitpick apart my spelling and my definitions. To my mind, that is the most pointless, stupid, and unfair way possible to debate an issue. If anything, it's just a variant of the 'shoot the messenger' technique that's so popular in politics right now.Instead of debating the actual issue, they try to discredit the opposition by trying to prove they are uninformed, crazy, or lying. NO ONE gets away with that with me. I will respect anyone that debates a topic with me, provided that we are in fact debating the topic. If they start to pick apart my spelling, which is pretty immaterial to me, (yes, I know there is spell check here, but I'm a bit lazy and often in a hurry,) or if they chose to nitpick minor and unimportant points, or attempt to brand me as uninformed, then thing WILL quickly get very ugly. When I came here, I got the feeling that this guy is some sort of admiring Germanophile. He made some remark about dominating the Slavic regions that didn't sit too well with me either. It doesn't help that I am of Polish extraction, and lost several relatives to German style politics. He can't even deal with the well-known fact that the Wehrmacht was largely horse-drawn, and only the Panzer divisions were fully motorized. In truth, Germany was a very poor country between the wars, and cars were a luxury, so there was no mass production in the American sense. Their production of trucks and tanks was always far short of requirements, and they made do with whatever they could find. There was never even an attempt to motorize the regular infantry or most of the artillery. When Hitler was given the figures on Russian tank production after Barbarossa got underway, he threatened to have the instigator of the report shot for lying, and thanks to Lend-Lease, the Russians had plenty of American trucks for their infantry too. No surprise why the Germans lost the war at the Battle of Kursk. | ||
| Tramp |
the truth is in the posts. anyone can sort it out. very sincere apologies to the sage badweb staff for my derisive posts of earlier. anyway, I'm going to leave this entire thread be. again, the proof is in the posts, here  (great opportunity to use this new emoticon, too!) | ||
| Tramp |
ummm...I'm a dual czech resident of largely lusatian blood. studied slavonic languages at one of the 3 most prestigious language schools in the known universe. so, No. nothing antislavic about me. my listed surname was taken from my stepfather, whom I sought to honour years after his tragic ski-racing death. My own birth surname is confidential, and not terribly teutotropic. of course, I(unlike another net expert) have lived in the aforementioned lands, piloted many wonderful aircraft (failed my instrument rating, miserably, twice, though) and ridden along in two different AT6 Texans. Jumped , countless times, out of some wonderful C130s, as well. I've cited both the dictionary and etymological definitions of the word "history' history does NOT begin with the written word. I have volumes of texts here on my shelf, from History courses I had to take in school,and those that I've purchased because of my thirst for knowledge of history. most of them, when dealing with human start with the early stoneage. Not ONE starts with the written word, including the Holy Bible, The Koran, or the Bhagavad Ghista. also, I still have stack of Mahle pistons, in boxes, from my old shop. I cited on several other posts, the fact that Buell pistons need to warm up so that the elliptical pistons can retain their running attitude. I use Mahles in VWs (esp. busses), BMW bikes, BMW cars, I had them in my 190e 16v cosworth-head 1.8 automobile in the early 90s, and I've installed many sets in HD powerplants. the fact of mahle in HD is pedestrian knowledge. again, the obvious truth is in the above posts and responses. any perusal of this thread, reading statements and responses, will show a definitive tendency toward the correct and factual nature of only one poster's points. please take a sec to figure out whom it is. (Message edited by tramp on December 17, 2005) | ||
| Tramp |
I (TRAMP) stated: " the tatra and skoda were both part of the german war machine. skoda, a much bigger manufacturer of automobiles form the same region as the tatra (& now owned by VW) built the big guns for kaiser." the response I got was: "POsted by xlcr: "PS, those big guns you were talking about were built by Krupp, NOT Skoda. Give it up, you're just getting in deeper. (Message edited by xlcr on December 16, 2005)" * * so, after I post and cite copious accounts of the Skoda being used by the Greman war machine, in BOTH world wars, we seeTHIS response: "Sure, Skoda made guns, and also tanks in WWII, but when people say big guns, I assume they mean the Paris Gun of WWI, and the huge railroad guns they used in the Crimea in WWII, and they were built by Krupp." * * this response after telling me Skoda didn't build the big guns for the german war machine, and that i should "give it up" "oh, THOSE big guns..I thought you meant the Paris guns" * * * no need for me to call anyone a liar. so, anyway, NOW i'm finished with the thread. again, my own rebuttals will be inherent in the preceding posts. (Message edited by tramp on December 17, 2005) (Message edited by tramp on December 17, 2005) | ||
| Tramp |
and, further, my unsolicited apologies for calling a (likely nice) fella a 'liar'. no need for that. never met the guy. Today on the ice, I was chatting with a couple fellow rednecks as we watched our tipups. They asked how I managed to fish last week when the ice was so thin. "I'm just not right in the head" I told them. "none of us are" the one guy responded. While he was referring to us ice-fishermen, who stand out on cold Ice so we can yank even colder fish outta holes so we can take them home and hassle fileting them for some little tiny morsels of white flesh, i think he could have just as easily been referring to us buellers. | ||
| Dbird29 |
Tramp, What about the concept of "old man strength"? http://suicidegirls.com/boards/Lifestyle/74724/ http://www.mnspeak.com/mnspeak/archive/post-1078.cfm http://www.mnspeak.com/mnspeak/archive/post-1078.cfm Just search those pages for "old man" and you will see it is true. You never argue with me anymore so I thought you were out of practice or something like that. DBird  | ||
| Tramp |
I know nothing of these things. I'll argue with you as soon as you serve up something with which i don't agree, if you'd like. no politics, though, or religion. I'm way too politically catholic (in the literal sens eof "catholic") to offer much in the way of argument. I mean, I am, after all, a Pro-gun, outdoor sportsman/hunter environmentalist antiwar antidrug, antidrug LAW, ultra-conservative libertarian eastern-bloc-dual-resident native-born american constitutionalist patriot, in all absolute honesty, don'tcha know...... and I have inhaled. | ||
| Xlcr |
OK, move along,nothing to see here, we have settled this with PMs. I have accepted an apology. Peace has been declared. I have more annoying fish to fry elseware. We are, after all, all Buell fans here (well, most of us),and there is a world of naysayers out there to take on. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
No one ever argues with me. So Ronery!  | ||
| Tramp |
Nate said: "No one ever argues with me." * * * That's not a factual statement. | ||
| Xldevil |
Babelfish is so funny. To give an example: it translated "präzise gefertigte Mahle Kolben" to " precisely manufactured meal piston", instead of "accurate manufactured Mahle pistons", what the actual meaning is. Eatable pistons?Sounds good to me,seasoned with 15W50  This entire translation is even worse than my English. I always laugh a lot about Babelfish. Ralph Btw. To transform the village "Weissach" into "white oh",is not bad either. (Message edited by xldevil on December 19, 2005) | ||
| Crusty |
I don't know; I've seen a few engines that ate pistons.  | ||
| Buellbozo |
i'm new to this forum,but i got to hand it to ya'll...you really know how to hold a first rate pissin' match!  my post on this thread several days ago escaped notice.at first i was disapointed,now i'm relieved to have escaped the wrath of all you experts...when the question is"do you want to be right or happy?",i'll take happy every time! |
