| Author | Message | ||
     Oldog |
I got this e-mail earlier today, just read it here is the seasonal anti Political correctness rant SHALL WE HIRE A MONUMENT ENGRAVER TO GO TO ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY AND ADD THE MISSING WORDS ? A MESSAGE FROM AN APPALLED OBSERVER: Today I went to visit the new World War II Memorial in Washington, DC. I got an unexpected history lesson. Because I'm a baby boomer, I was one of the youngest in the crowd. Most were the age of my parents, veterans of "the greatest war" with their families. It was a beautiful day, and people were smiling and happy to be there. Hundreds of us milled around the memorial, reading the inspiring words of Eisenhower and Truman that are engraved there. On the Pacific side of the memorial, a group of us gathered to read the words President Roosevelt used to announce the attack on Pearl Harbor: Yesterday, December 7, 1941-- a date which will live in infamy--the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked. One elderly woman read the words aloud: With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph. But as she read, she was suddenly turned angry. "Wait a minute," she said, "they left out the end of the quote. They left out the most important part. Roosevelt ended the message with "so help us God." Her husband said, "You are probably right. We're not supposed to say things like that now." "I know I'm right," she insisted. "I remember the speech." The two looked dismayed, shook their heads sadly and walked away. Listening to their conversation, I thought to myself, "Well, it has been over 50 years. She's probably forgotten." But she had not forgotten. She was right. I went home and pulled out the book my book club is reading --- "Flags of Our Fathers" by James Bradley. It's all about the battle at Iwo Jima. I haven't gotten too far in the book. It's tough to read because it's a graphic description of the WWII battles in the Pacific. But right there it was on page 58. Roosevelt's speech to the nation ends in "so help us God." The people who edited out that part of the speech when they engraved it on the memorial could have fooled me. I was born after the war. But they couldn't fool the people who were there. Roosevelt's words are engraved on their hearts. Now I ask: "WHO GAVE THEM THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THE WORDS OF HISTORY?????????" Send this around to your friends. People need to know before everyone forgets. People today are trying to change the history of America by leaving God out of it, but the truth is, God has been a part of this nation, since the beginning. He still wants to be...and He always will be! (Message edited by oldog on November 29, 2005) | ||
| Ezblast |
Concur! | ||
| Kdan |
I have no problem with them leaving it off, taking it off the money and removing it from the Pledge of allegiance too. No one's trying to change history, just editing it a little. Taking out the unnecessary parts. | ||
| Blake |
Hoax/bogus... http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/memorial.asp | ||
| Blake |
Kdan, "No one's trying to change history, just editing it a little. Taking out the unnecessary parts." Stalin thought likewise. I suppose you'd like to revise our declaration of independence too.  Take God out of America, and America is doomed. It is that simple. | ||
| Doughnut |
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| Oldog |
Thanks Blake I will forward Sorry that you feel that GOD is unnecessary Kdan NO GOD?, See Karl Marx.... (Message edited by oldog on November 29, 2005) | ||
| S1eric |
Thanks for the Link. I almost got carried away. S1eric (Message edited by S1Eric on November 29, 2005) | ||
| Kdan |
That's why this is a great country guys. You need your thing to get you by and I'm good with that and no one will be persecuted for it. As for the declaration of independence, can I start with something simple like the constitution, Blake? | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Best line from fark: "atheists afraid of words" This was about a group trying to take "in god we trust" off of money. Why do people flip out if they see the NON-SPECIFIC term "god"? Don't get me wrong, I am not religeous at all really but these people need a better hobby. My dad's into HO model railroad stuff. Perhaps they could try that? or perhaps sculpture or interpretive dance? (Message edited by natexlh1000 on November 29, 2005) | ||
| Kdan |
Well, we got all this free time on Sunday... | ||
| Sanchez |
Take God out of America, and America is doomed. Or possibly, take God out of America, and we'll have less syphilis. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C,2-1798944%2C00.html (Message edited by sanchez on November 30, 2005) | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm and that life isn't always fair. Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate. Teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer Panadol to a student but, could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion. Finally, Common Sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses, and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense finally gave up the ghost after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap and was promptly awarded a huge settlement. Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust, his wife Discretion, his daughter Responsibility, and his son Reason. He is survived by three stepbrothers. I Know My Rights, I'm A Whinger and I'm A Victim. Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on, if not join the majority and do nothing. | ||
| Charlieboy6649 |
The ideal that is separation of church and state has been misunderstood and bastardized greatly. It is not a matter of whether God belongs in this country, too late, God's been in this country's fiber from the beginning. What it all boils down to is there can be no state sponsored church/religion/God etc... The references to God in our Government IS a part of our history! No one is forcing belief! Don't like it... MOVE! Ahem, sorry... I'm a little passionate about that subject... | ||
| Cadzilla |
Know God... Know PEACE... No God... NO PEACE... | ||
| Newfie_buell |
I'm not a big believer in all that God stuff these days but hey everyone is entitled to their beliefs and what you believe in is entirely your business so long as you don't shove it doem ny throat. If in fact thats what Roosevelt said then is should be included on the memorial. It was his beliefs at the time and they should be relayed on to generations to come. It was a historic speech that should be remembered as it is. | ||
| P0p0k0pf |
I'm not a very religious person... perhaps it makes it easier for me to have a different view. God was around during the beginning of our history, so was slavery and the prohibition of women voting. The genius of our government is the fact that we can change the way it works and what it allows and disallows so that it will always suit those who live in our country in their own generation. America was also created as a refuge from all forms of persecution. That is instilled in our history as much, if not more so than God. That is why acceptance takes precedence over organized religion. "No one is forcing belief! Don't like it... MOVE!" Forcing beliefs isn't the issue- you can't force beliefs. The only thing you could do is get someone who doesn't believe to pretend they do. It -isn't- the issue. The issue is consideration for everyone. Kinda like choosing not to fart in a loaded elevator... A public office that is infused with private beliefs can be as dangerous as a government that enforces bad policy. It is wrong to make or suggest that someone leave the country because you are intolerant of their spiritual views. It is -not- the American Way. You don't like it? You Move! I am a proud American who is proud of my nation's history. I respect other peoples' beliefs whether they are my own or not. I will not force my way of life upon others, and I will expect no less than the same back from them. That is what makes me a true American Citizen. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
P0p0k0pf well said. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Scuse me, are we talking about GOD or gods, is this the same GOD that Christians call GOD, as in the father of Jesus, Who is also Known as Jahweh to the Jewish faith, who had a prophet called Mahomet & is known as Allah to the Moslem faith...........etc etc Or am I mistaken & we're talking about gods, as in every tin pot sect or version of a faith having a different view of their god? If I get the chance to come back & tell you all after I'm dead, I will. I might have to post anonymously though.  | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Just to throw something else into the pot, The primetime main TV news show here in France had a piece last night about a rightwing christian political group claiming that penguins show high moral values etc, all this due to the French film about the march of the penguins; they then had on a load of experts (mostly American I might add) explaining that penguins change mates every year, penguins aren't faithful to their mates, & that there are gay penguins too, I was crying with laughter at the righteous guy going on about how penguins are a great moral example to America & thus the world. If it had been April 1 I wouldn't have been surprised. Don't believe the hype! treat people as you'd have them treat you. | ||
| M1combat |
Penguins will gather around an icehole and push each other until one falls in... IF they come back out (indicating there's no polar bear waiting for them) then they all jump in. Anyway... "GOD" is whatever it is to YOU. Whatever higher power you ascribe to (even if it's yourself) is the "GOD" that's mentioned on the dollar. It has nothing to do with Christianity. The sooner people start realizing that they are indeed NOT being oppressed by the Christian right but by their own dogmatic views of the world the sooner they'll realize that they need to live and let live TOO. Bullets don't kill people. | ||
| Light_keeper |
Penguins and polar bears only coexist in zoos. they are from different poles. Worlds apart so to speak. (No matter what the coke adds show) | ||
| Brucelee |
"Well, we got all this free time on Sunday" What, with all that playing with yourself, you don't have all that much time. | ||
| Brucelee |
Lets keep it simple. If the speech was edited, perhaps the engravers should have added that fact to the bottom of their handywork. Then folks could know that it really wasn't FDR's speech. | ||
| Crusty |
Wow. Politics and religion in one thread. Some people feel obligated to stuff their own beliefs down everybody else's throat. Live and Let Live is a concept that some just can't comprehend. | ||
| Mikej |
"Give me liberty (Edited to allow living and let living.)  | ||
| Mikej |
http://www.quoteworld.org/docs/phgiv328.php
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| Oldog |
What galls me is when some one starts screaming about church and state separation. Continuing about the 10 commandments, "In GOD we trust","One Nation under GOD" etc.. saying how their rights have been violated they are offended etc... In my "dogmatic" view, these folks are in need of a life and a lesson in good manners, To those of you who are not "religious" yet take the path "live & let live", good on you friends! Christians are Supposed to live that way too, we are commanded to Love one another and Our enemies too. Please understand many of us ( particulary christians ) get tired of yet another lawsuit, more ACLU press over these types of things, How many times have you watched some "greasy person" in a hidollar suit spewing nonsense to a network talking head? At times they provoke the exasperation that makes one of the citizenry say "if you don't like it leave" Most practicing Christians understand quite well that you can't force feed any one, that its a personal decision, To those who are "offended" just what is wrong with "In God we trust", please explain your beef to me. Does it counter your view of creation? why the problem? Being that I have some time this AM lets look at the 10 commandments 1. THOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME 2. THOU SHALL NOT MAKE UNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE 3. THOU SHALL NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD GOD IN VAIN 4. REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY 5. HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER 6. THOU SHALL NOT KILL 7. THOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY 8. THOU SHALL NOT STEAL 9. THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR 10. THOU SHALL NOT COVET Please tell me just what is wrong with the commandments? I will make it easier just 4 - 10? understanding that the "God Phobes" will have a problem with 1-3 The remove God from every thing reminds me of a small child in the grocery store whos parent has just told them that they could not have an item that this point they are lying on the floor kicking and screaming while the parent looks on in dismay, After all the same wisdom that wants to remove GOD from the USA, has made correcting your child against the law | ||
| M1combat |
Then they are worried about whatever else prey upon them... The fact that they do that... well... It's a fact. | ||
| Light_keeper |
No argument with that. |
