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Borrowedbike
Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone have a Schuberth C2? I have yet to hear anything bad about them and I like the idea of the built in visor.

Any input, good or bad is appreciated.
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Mainstreamer
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 12:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just purchased a Nolan N102, also has a visor attached externally. Looked at the Schuberth C2 but the fit was not as good as the Nolan for my shape head. The Nolan also seemed to be a bit lighter in weight.

My Nolan is also preped to receive the Nolan communication system. I plan to install the comm. system after I decide which GPS to get.
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Hans
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 06:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Best helmet I had ever. Less fog, less noise, no buffeting when turning your head at speed. Sun visor is a nice gadget.
Hans
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Borrowedbike
Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hans,
Thanks! I found one and tried it on, fit great, seems to be comfortable. Two things I'd like your opinion on.

1) The Chin strap seemed to bunch up on me a bit. Is this an issue for you?

2) With the Jaw open the helmet "tugs" my ears when I pull it off. It's not to small, just pulls my ears a bit. Am I missing something? I'm concerned I'd get annoyed with this long term.
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Hans
Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1: The chin strap is not the easiest one. You will get accustomized soon. You will get handy to stretch, with your finger, the skin protection ribbon between your chin and the lock.

2. I have my ears set wide on my head and I wear glasses: First I had a problem to get my head into the helmet without folding my ears. Now, I pull the two sides of the helmet, bending the opening a little bit wider.

Not an issue: Goes now as fast, as putting my gloves on.
Hans
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Bomber
Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fully agree w/Hans -- be sure to make certain that ribbon is properly placed -- after a week or so, it becomes second nature

same same installing/removing the helmet -- week or so, you don't even think about it

I'm a cheapsk, er, frugal kinda guy, and this is my second Schuberth -- I love this lid!
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Rocketman
Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 08:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Motor sport organisations do not permit the use of chin strap clasp type fasteners for any helmet. They are inferior to a 'D' ring fastening.

As good as it may well be have Schuberth designed for practicality over safety?


would you trust your head with one of these?


Rocket
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Been using buckle style fasteners for over 20 years. I have yet to have one come apart on me. And I HAVE crashed wearing them.
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Rocketman
Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was simply pointing out the buckle style fasteners are not allowed in motorsport.

It has nothing (or little) to do with them failing in the event of an accident.

The use of a double D ring fastening means the helmet is always fastened to the optimum tension. A buckle style fastener does not guarantee to motorsport requirements that it can equal the double D ring every time you put the helmet on your head.

Worse case scenario for buckle fasteners is the helmet comes off your bonce in an accident. That's why, double D every time!

Rocket
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Hans
Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 08:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buckle style fastener or D-ring seems me a non issue.
Whence the buckle style adjusted, it has always the right tension.
The D-ring you have to bring on the right tension every time: More chance to maladjust.
It is very difficult to imagine how the helmet with the buckle style will get loose during an impact, fall off your head and keeps your head unprotected for a second impact.

The buckle style fasteners are easier for ambulance personel to free your head from the helmet.

I have nothing against the D-rings, but the buckle styles are as good.

Some countries feel safe using the left side of the road, others think you are better off at the right side.

That all motor sport organizations have accepted (Have they?) only the D-rings is not that important: There was ever a time that the D-rings were always good and other fasteners not.
But there was also ever a time that cars had only permission to drive behind a fellow, walking with a red flag.

Hans
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Rocketman
Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hans, I do not wish to split hairs with you - simply pointing out the facts.

The D-ring you have to bring on the right tension every time which is EXACTLY why the system works perfect if you pull it tight.

Over time a clasp type fastener will run the risk of settling, at which time it will require readjustment to bring back in tension. There is a problem with this over a period of time / use. The settling effect always inevitably ends up back in the same slack place as the chin strap becomes familiar with the place it is always adjusted to. That tiny bit of give means the helmet is always just that little bit loose on the chin strap once it settles. You and others might call this comfortable but motorsport organisations call it potential danger should you ever need to put the system to the test.

Rocket
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Hans
Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"The settling effect always inevitably ends up back in the same slack place as the chin strap becomes familiar with the place it is always adjusted to. That tiny bit of give means the helmet is always just that little bit loose on the chin strap once it settles."

There you have a good point, Rocketman. (Mine is indeed a little bit loose.)

So the chin strap needs re adjustment, just like tire pressure.

Hans
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Rocketman
Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes Hans, my Airho Warrior suffers the same problem, usually after a spirited blast past 70mph and beyond, and I find I'm often tugging on the flapping end of the chin strap whilst in motion. That's no easy feat when you ride with Ixon armour plated gloves, lol.

One last thing Hans. Can you tell me how you've mastered the art of adjusting your tyre pressures whilst in motion?

One last last thing Hans. Have a great new year



Rocket
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Borrowedbike
Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well I did it. Spirited discussion about D ring Vis Vie Buckle. (IMHO if the buckle breaks my spinal cors is probably already severed thus rendering the discussion a moot point. Additionally, it appears Schuberth has an active restraint in the rear of the helmet? This according to web bike world, but yet to be confirmed.) None the less, I purchased a Black C2 in Large. I have yet to pull the tags off. Got a good price, but want to wear is around the house an hour or two before I ride in it. I'll keep a diary for future searches.
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Metalstorm
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm a month late to the party but I wanted to add that the Nolan N102 has the best of both worlds.
It has a ratchet mechanism that is fast on, fast off but requires the tension to be set every time it is donned.

I was skeptical of it at first being a D ring kind of fellow myself but Lo & Behold, it works really well.
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