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Court
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>So I certainly see the wisdom in them shutting the door on the goodwill replacements. There was no "ill will" about concluding the "good will" program on teh tanks. Just that Buell had replaced more tanks that ever existed and the fun had worn out.

Drop me a note with your V.I.N. and contact info and let me see what I can find out about that bike.

Court
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Al_Lighton
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmm, here's the word I just got from one painter that I gave all the pertinent info to, doesn't sound good. So my original question remains, has anyone done this with success?

"First the paint numbers are a compatible system with the products I use, but therein lies the problem. Urethane clears are a plastic and when cured behave just like the mylar letters underneath. There is no way to extract the lettering and completely remove it with leaving a very visible spot where the letters were. And, if you were to clear over the excavated area it would show up as just that, an obvious area of where they used to be which would, in my opinion would not look very good.

The only way to make the tank look right is sand off the lettering, feather out the surface then prime, paint and reclear the tank. Anything else would be mickey mouse and frankly I won't be interested in doing it unless it is done right. The cost of redoing the tank to gloss black
would be around $300 and I would recommend letting me do the removal of the lettering because you don't want to gut through the paint into the seal coat on the plastic surface or you will have paint lifting problems wherever the cut is."
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are a lot of recalled shocks on eBay too. Don't the dealers have to destroy or return these things? I would think the same would apply to the tanks.
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Awgrimm
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Al-
I know this reply is a little late, but I am the 2nd owner of my S3. The dealer told me that they may have trouble because I wasn't the original owner, but they still managed to get it through. Was I the last? Maybe.

Also, besides the $100 service fee, they needed the original tank with the bubbled letters.

IMHO I think the tank would look pretty cool without the logo.

Good Luck-
Brad
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Roadrunr
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

AL,$300 Sounds kinda high just to paint a tank and even if you do sand into the plastic any paint dealer or user should have an adhesion promoter for plastics. I just got a can to experiment with. The mfg is SEM and the part # is 39863.
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Bomber
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

as a data point, my Manta M2 tank cost $200 (northern burbs of chicago) to paint gloss black last summer . .. . it needed a fair amount of sanding . . . . that price did not include a clear coat, but I can't imagine a clear coat would add another bill to the job
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Al_Lighton
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the data points, guys. You're right, it seems a bit high.

OTOH, here in SOCAL, painting and plating is usually substantially pricier than the big midwest. Air Quality and other Dept. of Health and Safety regulations in the ROK make it very unfriendly for these businesses, they'd just assume we send such work out of state. Still, a C note more seems a bit much.

Al
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Polekat
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 04:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roadrunr...thanks for the information. It helped a lot.
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Bomber
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Al . . .. I went to a guy that has a basically production shop for fenderbenders, and he likes bikes . . . . . . . he'd have done the job regardless, as he makes his money on volume, and he did a good job . . . . a boutique bike painter would want more, I'm sure
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H_Man
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Polecat,

You should remove the brackets for the original flyscreen. They aren't necessary. And like Roadrunr has noted, you don't need to make any modifications.

I have a 2000 M2, I'd bought the Givi 755 last summer after reading a post in BADWEB (don't recall the section) about a guy who put it on his Buell. We traded e-mail then I bought the Givi from Arizona Motorsports (GREAT and quick service from those guys). I love the screen. If I was only a little brighter, I could figure out how to attach a pic to this post (I've tried it before and failed). :(

Funny thing about the Givi though, their US distributor doesn't recognize any of the Givis as fitting a Buell.

There is a small gap where the screen sits over the headlight. This causes more light to reflect up through the inside of the windscreen. It isn't bothersome. But it does take a little getting used to when you're riding at night.

H-man
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Roadrunr
Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 08:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

HMAN, If you removed the brackets that hold your factory flytrap on, what holds your headlight on? If you have a gap between the windscreen and the headlight, you might need to adjust it. I don't have that problem with mine, nor does my bud with the M2.
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H_Man
Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Roadrunr!

Guess were mixing up terms here. My headlight is still in place because of the headlamp mounting bracket (P/N 67976-97Y). The bracket I was referring for Polecat to remove (and I thought you had meant) is the windscreen bracket (P/N 59745-97Y). Well, these were the correct P/Ns for a 2000 M2.

Thanks for the info about the fit around the headlamp. As soon as it warms up to say 30 degrees or so, I'll work on readjusting my Givi.

H-man
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Roadrunr
Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

H-Man, I didn't know the headlight bracket and windscreen bracket were 2 separate parts on an M2. On my X1 it is 1 piece. My bad dude......
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H_Man
Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 05:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No problem, brodda.
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Roadrunr
Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 03:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DAVEFL,Whats the poop on the givi you wanted to sell? is it sold yet?
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 09:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let's say you've got an S2 in Pearl White. Then let's say some punkasskid in a pickup chucks a chunk or truck tire at you with an approximate 100mph impact speed (your speed 40mph after just leaving a cemetary to get off the road while removing your raingear and not having got back up to the speed limit again, his speed 60mph in the opposite direction). Let's say this tire chunk hits the fairing on a lower corner of the headlight opening and miraculously does not do anything more than chip off paint in the corner, no broken headlight, no really visible cracks in the fairing, just chipped and flaked paint. Let's also just forget for the moment (like 2 years when the punkasskid turns 18 and isn't under the semi-protection of his dad and the blind-eye-as-long-as-nobody-dies of the local sheriff, it's nice when dispatch gives out information that the sheriff later says can't be found) about any retaliation against the purpetrator and say this has to be a somewhat budget constrained exercise.

I'm looking at options:

1. Do it myself. Flick off any loose bits of paint. Pick up a small bottle of pearl paint and brush it on building up sufficient depth to fill the void.

2. Buy a replacement fairing in the proper color. Or find a complete set of body work already color-matched.

3. Go to the local super-painter and have him do a limited paint repair.

4. Go to the local super-painter and have him go whole-hog (Note: I did not say whole-H.O.G.) and repaint the whole bike in Pearl White.

5. Go to the local super-painter and have him do up a full-on paint job with graphics in anticipation of the 100th enabling me to get a few minor digs in while still being able to claim innocense in artistic meanings.

6. Go to school, so to speak, and get setup with the proper or semi-proper equipment and paint the whole thing myself once the weather warms up above sub-freezing.

There's a few belly-rubs and bag-rubs elsewhere on the paint that could use some touching up. And I've got a replacement dash to install so I'll be removing the fairing anyway. Plus the speedo went out so I'll be doing a little other work on the bike anyway (cable driven speedos don't seem to like being used in 10°F weather, and I don't know if the cable snapped or if it's something more extensive that went out or if hopefully it will work once it warms up some).

Thanks.
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Bomber
Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Option 7, Mike . .. . give the poor dear to a guy, say, in Northern Illinois who will take care of the paint chip, and proceed to ride the whee out of it . . .. . .

I could put you in touch with some FIBs, if you like (grin)
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You talkin' fixin', ridin', or buyin'????? It is due for it's 10,000 (20,000) mile service though.
Let's see, school starts tomorrow, bike needs major service interval performed, needs speedo troubleshooted and fixed, could use a new rear tire due to aging, and needs relatively minor paint fix. Guess I could just keep the cover over it and pretent it isn't there until July or so. :)
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Road_Thing
Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mikej: Ride it, dude...chips happen!

r-t
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I know, and what I've been doing. Just thinking that if I sell it I should maybe get it touched up a bit. ;)
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Bluzm2
Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever tried to fix a "bubble tank" by doing the "Kreem" treatment?
I'm not sure if the stuff would bond to the plastic but if it does wouldn't that prevent bubbles on a repainted tank?
Just wondering as I'm soon to paint a tank. I'm leaving off the letters and decals so it may be a moot point anyway.

Brad
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Bomber
Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mike . . .. riding, brother . . .I gotta sell the thumper as it is to finance other activities . . . ..

Bluz . . . .I asked the same question, and, if memory serves, got a resounding "no one knows, but we don't think it will work" for an answer . . . . that, however, was about a year ago
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Caboose
Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone know if the Lightning Series Race Fairing for an S1 / S1W can be made to fit an X1?
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Slasher
Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 05:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hi guys greetings from ireland i am the owner of a 1998 s3t and would like to know if a chin spoiler from another buell model will fit my bike and what modifications if any would i need to do also does anybody know where i gan get a better looking set of mirrors as the other ones are kinda naff any help would be appreciated thanks
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Dave
Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 09:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brian,
I know an X1 chin spoiler will work on a 99 and up S3 but not sure about a 98. I have a chin spoiler in primer black w/hardware if you want to work something out for it (trade/cash). See my profile for my email.

DAve
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Roadrunr
Posted on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 05:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone know if a fuel tank off any other models will fit on an X1? I thought about painting my fuel cell but even after cleaning there seem to be contaminants embedded in the plastic and primer bubbles in spots. Steve
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve,
I've heard of S3 tanks being put on X1s (the fuel pump is already there) but there'd be a gap between the tank and the seat.
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Roadrunr
Posted on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is about a 3/4 inch gap between my fuel cell and the seat so if it's not much worse than that I could deal with it. Can anyone verify this?
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Spiderman
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 07:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dave that will work.
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Piggos
Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I haven't been able to find the paint code for my 2000 X1 Millennium anywhere. Does anyone have the code, or an idea where to look? X1 files doesn't list it. Service and parts manuals don't list any Millennium parts, and the local HD dealer knows what a Buell is but wasn't aware that there were different models!
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