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Koz5150
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I purchased this handy little device for my bike.

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Over time it will rub your clutch cable into the side of the primary cover causeing a short for your starter. This leads to you being grounded. If you have any questions feel free to email me.
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Firstbuell
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes,

by all means, pleez 'splain it to me.

I've been thinking about getting 1.....
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do you have a pic of the rub area or with the above noted items installed? I'm unclear how this device would affect the starter system.
Thanks for the heads-up though.
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Buellistic
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Koz5150:

"i" been running one of these foe a couple of years now ...

No problems !!!

How about some pictures so eveyone will usderstand what you are talking about ???

In BUELLing
LaFayette
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Jackbequick
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Koz5150 - Mine has been on for about 2,000 miles with no problems. And I really like the feel of the clutch release with that on.

When I worked on it recently I accidentally put the clutch cable coupling piece (the Buell part on the end of the cable) in facing the wrong way. As soon as I used it the first time I could feel something was not right and the smooth shifting went away. When I checked, it the was rubbing the inside of the primary cover.

You must have had it installed wrong, mine never touches anything when it is put together right.

In the photo above, the part that steps up and extends to the right of the screw hole is the part that fits into the arm on the actuator. That was a slightly snug fit, a few thousandth's of interference at most, and would not drop into the actuator. I simply put the screw and washer in place and tightened them and it pulled it down into place without using excessive force.

Someone here mentioned having to grind an Easy Pull to get it to fit", that may have been what they were talking about. If the screw will pull it down with out excessively heavy turning forces on the Allen wrench, I think a snug fit is fine and even a good thing.

The other most frequently mentioned aftermarket device for improving clutch pull and release costs about 4 or 5 times as much and the Easy Pull. It may work better too, I don't know.

Jack
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does this thing just basically extend the lever moment on the clutch actuator? (Or words to that effect, edit as necessary.)
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Spike
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Does this thing just basically extend the lever moment on the clutch actuator?




Yes.
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Dave
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...just an idea. If the engine to frame strap/ground isn't making a solid bond, electricity tends to follow the path of least resistance. Just *maybe* the clutch cable acted as this path.

I've seen it happen with other applications.

DAve
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Jackbequick
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mikej - Along with extending the moment, the effect at the clutch lever on the handlebar is that engagement is spread over a wider arc of travel. To me the feeling is that of having a lighter release and more control over the amount and rate of clutch engagement.

Jack
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Buellistic
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 07:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DAve:

You are right there, the clutch cable will get hot and smoke ...

In BUELLing
Ex yoU Sure Are F*%@Ked AFSC46250
4 in, 26 out ...
LaFayette
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmmm, maybe if Koz doesn't want his anymore ......
I do have a few projects in mind for mine this winter and this little device might be fun to play with.
What are these things worth new and used?
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Jackbequick
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mikej - They go for $29.95 on eBay and that may be the only source for them. Sold by the guy that makes them I think, good instructions with them and he invites email for comments and feedback. Probably made by CNC machinist/biker making a little money on the side with a good idea, he is "one of us" I'd say.

There is another one selling there called the Easy Pull Lite that has not received mention here yet, don't know if it is Buell compatible or how good it is. It does not look as well made as the Easy Pull Clutch. A search for easy pull clutch will bring them both up.

Jack
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Jack,
I'll go do a search at lunch and put a few in my watch bin.
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wimps
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Jackbequick
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You caught me.
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Buellistic
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rick_a:

Put in the strongest clutch PRESSURE PLATE and the left hand will get bigger than the right !!!

In BUELLing
LaFayette
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Awesome. I do like the Popeye look.
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Chevysolid
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, Kaz has not responded as to if he might have installed it wrong.
I was wondering if the easy pull for a 2002 sportster would work for a 99 X1.
There is one on Ebay that has not been installed being sold by private party.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4585530896&sspagen ame=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1

If it works with no problems then I think this might be a worthwhile purchase, B/C the clutch pull is def. a lot harder than the jap bike I had.

Thanks

(Message edited by chevysolid on October 28, 2005)

(Message edited by chevysolid on October 28, 2005)
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 02:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know for sure, but I believe the two clutches are the same, far as I know, so it should work.
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Jackbequick
Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The original report mentions the Easy Pull rubbing the primary cover, that can happen when the actuator coupling is installed backwards. I did that once, the Easy Pull did not feel right or work right, and I quickly corrected it by putting the coupler on right.

The electrical problem (the clutch cable becoming the ground path for the engine and overheating) apparently can occur if the engine ground strap is not making good contact. I have not had that happen to me.

Quite a few people here have used that device without problems and like it. I have it on my M2, like it, and it is staying there.

The Easy Pull reduces effort (increases your leverage at the clutch actuator) by making the lever in the primary longer.

A side effect of the Easy Pull is that the point where the clutch starts to pull is a little closer to the handle bar. And the arc or distance the lever travels from starting to pull to fully clutch engaged is a little nearer to the end of the lever's travel.

I liked it in use, the lever pull was easier. And I also liked having the clutch starting to pull sooner and engagement being a little less abrupt. I quickly adjusted to the wider span to fully engaged. I think the adjustment was to speed up the last part of the lever release a little, particularly if accelerating hard. It happens subconciously after few uses.

The instructions with the device were easy enough to follow. To install the Easy Pull, you have to remove the actuator. That is simple and only takes a few minutes. When you put it back, adjusting the actuator adjustment screw takes up any slack from wear in the clutch. Then adjusting the cable housing length (at the adjuster in the middle of the cable housing) sets the freeplay at the clutch lever.

I think the criticism of the Easy Pull in this thread is uncalled for. That is a isolated incident and there is not any proof that it was the primary cause of the problems that were attributed to it.

Jack
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Chevysolid
Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the comments Jack and Blake
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S2pengy
Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake the throw out bearings where the easy pull attaches are different. The ones shown in the 97 S3 manual and the ones on my 95 and 96 S2's are different... I was unable/unwilling to use the easy pull on my S2's due to the interference with the primary cover...
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Chevysolid
Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

S2pengy, are you saying that this will not work for the X1??
If not is it something that I would obviously be abel to tell if purchased and installation attempted??
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S2pengy
Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would say it should work on your X1, but once installed with the clutch cover off check for proper operation....
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Ezetobebad__uk
Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 12:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I installed one recently.
Standard clutch required 14 lbs pressure to fully disengage.

eze clutch required 7 lbs pressure to do the same.

an effective ,easy cheap improvement
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Oldog
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is the trinket aluminum or steel?
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Chevysolid
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Unsure,
can someone inform myself and dog
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S2pengy
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 08:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The ones I tried were steel... From Florida I believe...
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Jackbequick
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As far as I know the Easy Pull is sold only on eBay. It is steel, nicely machined and probably done on a CNC machine. Someone once mentioned having to grind on one to get it to fit. Mine was a light interference fit where it fits into the actuator arm but the screw pulled it into place nicely. I thought the fit was perfect, I wouldn't have wanted it any looser.

As you see it in the photo above (that is the same photo that is used on eBay auction), the more or less "keyhole" shaped raised boss on the top fits into the actuator arm in the place where the coupler normally goes, it is kept there by the screw and washer (LocTite is recommended). Then the coupler is attached to the opening in the hook at the bottom. That extends the actuator down (1/2" or so) and also moves it slightly inboard to clear the primary cover.

If the coupler is put in front of the hook instead of behind it, it will rub on the primary cover when clutch lever is used. The coupler goes in the same way as it was, with the rounded side to the inside of the primary.

An eBay search for Easy Pull will turn it up. There is another model called Easy Pull Lite, that is slightly cheaper. I've never heard any feedback on the Lite model, it is not made by the same guy and does not look quite as well made to me.

Jack
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