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Buckinfubba
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 02:19 pm: | 
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no harm no foul. thats the beauty of it . it is in the eyes of the beholder.
and I misunderstood your refinement comment to the extent I thouhgt you were talking about build quality.
enjoy what ya got is what I say |
Noface
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 02:34 pm: |
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>>the performance has been tested and bluntly kicked the D&D butt<<
Well, I guess that's an opinion. It was better on top and bottom by a few hp. Ok
But in the midrange, the D&D is better. Ok?
And somehow I don't think those boys in Texas just fabbed up a POS and said "here ya go".
And just like you, they probably don't have a lot of Buell pipes sitting on the shelf waiting to be shipped. They probably fabricate them on a monthly basis (who knows) on a bulk order basis or some such. They have to make time to build other exhausts too, afterall, that's what they do.
Looking at the dyno sheets, I see two different pipes tuned for two different rpm bands.
Come on man... he made some statements of his opinion that were worded tastefully. It wasn't like he was trashing your product.
Did somebody in Ft Worth piss in your Cheerios or something?  |
Buckinfubba
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 03:12 pm: |
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well here goes the fight again. Yes that is what they do for business and they seem to be backordered all the time.
yes its better for from 4.2k to 5.2k . it the whole picture of the rpm band yes the drummer kicks its ass. all the way across the board. the drummer makes your bike much faster.
I have much invested in defending my product. It is mine. why do you defend the D&D do you own stock.
did somebody in ft worth piss in my cherrios no. but I also belive D&D is a much better company and have produced very worthy exhaust for all kinds of bikes. But they let us down on this one. Sorry I took that as an insult to those of us in the buell community and wouldn't settle for that especially at the price of $595 and then be told it works well without the ecm and filter upgrade.
they don't so why say it.
maybe the didn't just fab it together and say here ya go. But if they tested it and they were happy with those results . well then they don't deserve my hard earned money. That is there business , thats what they do.
And to hillbillys put together something in their spare time. that, yes, kicked its ass hands down.
all the way across the whole rpm band.
you say you see 2 different pipes tuned for 2 different rpm bands. sorry to me the D&D looks as if it was tuned for 1 band a 1k strech from 4.2 k to 5.2k. did you pay all that money for your buell to ride in the span of a thousand rpm band. I doubt it.
If you want to call at the top end and the low end 5hp a couple of hp difference and as much as 11 ft/lbs of torque difference a smidgeon difference so be it.
that is your choice. misguided tho it may be but yours just the same.
a pipe should be built to improve everywhere not just some places if at all possible. well the D&D didn't achieve it. sorry its a fact.
Hell I wish they would make a better pipe than us I think that would just be great in my eyes. and price it fairly and not over priced.
the D&D for the tubers was $350. why a$245 increase in the pipe. trust me the engineering differences between the 2 pipes ain't that big.
I think maybe once again I pissed off in your cherrios. FT Worth don't scare me none. Infact maybe they should be going back to the drwing board. But then again if they came out with a new latest and greatest pipe where would that leave you with your pipe.
I don't want to fight here but you seem to pop up alot on this. where were your comments when the time difference between the 2 pipe was 1.7 seconds for the drummer being faster.
well you can comment now.
hows your cherrios taste
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Dynarider
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 03:46 pm: |
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Here's one for ya Brian. scroll to the bottom & read 420's comments. http://www.badassbuell.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=202 |
Boulderbiker
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 04:10 pm: |
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SICK 'EM BRIAN!!!!! I know which exhaust I'm getting when I do.... drum....drum....DRUM..DRUM!!! |
Buckinfubba
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 04:59 pm: |
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FIRST OFF HOW IN GODS NAME DO YOU ALL FIND ALL THESE SITES TO TALK ON...
hey if the guy likes it power too him. But he makes his judgement without knowledge.
he does seem a lttle wacked tho. it must be all the snow in north dakota. But hey dave got a sale and thats all good in my eyes.
can't we all just be happy. |
Noface
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 05:06 pm: |
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Look Brian, when I ordered the D&D, your's wasn't available, so I didn't have the option. Had I, I probably would have got yours.
What's been gnawing on me is the constant bashing you put on about other systems.
If you read some of my comments in the Drummer threads I have praise for your efforts and results.
As far as the rest of your post... whatever...
Let's all start another Drummer thread, build a campfire, roast some S'moores and sing Koom-bye-ya. (As long as nobody says anything remotely critical of the Drummer, we'll all be ok). 
As for the Cheerios? I dunno. I never liked them. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 05:12 pm: |
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Thats cuz somebody pissed in your cheerios before maybe when young hey |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 05:25 pm: |
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What's been gnawing on me is the constant bashing you put on about other systems.
He does have a point here. Its sorta like a politician, I dont want to hear the guy spend all his time knocking the other guy down, I want to hear his ideas, plans, etc. I know Brian & his partner put a lot of time & effort into the pipe & I am sure it works great. How about letting it stand on its own merits & let the folks decide on what they want to purchase?
Post the numbers for the different pipes, the costs associated with each, ease of installation, warranty, etc etc, & let the cards fall where they will. If someone chooses to go a different route & buys a D&D, Force, or anything else..so what? |
Noface
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 05:41 pm: |
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Geeze BadS1, are we back in Kindergarten now? |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 06:22 pm: |
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It also depends on what RPM range you spend most of your time riding. If I spent my time in the 4.2k to 5.2k range then I could see the benefits of the D&D pipe. I however don't. I am at either the 2.75/3k range or just short of the soft limiter on my 12. I have gotten real good now at shifting just before the limiter hits. The D&D pipe wouldn't do me any good for my riding tendancies. You can't always just look at the peak power, you also have to look at how it fits with your riding. If you don't you will find yourself disappointed in the performance of the changes you made. |
Metalstorm
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 06:30 pm: |
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Anyone familier with the saying:
"You need the right tool for the job"?
I think of pipes as tools. If you do alot of racing (track days) and you spend most of your time in the high range, a pipe that gives you good low and mid and no high is not gonna float your boat. If you ride street where you you want your power down low and in the middle, you ain't gonna want a pipe that gives great high but lacks in the early rev range.
see what I'm getting at.
I personally never pay much attention to the numbers on the dyna charts. I'm too busy looking at the lines. I'm not a racer, I have never been on a track so I know nothing about that. I do know a bit about street riding though and I know I don't spend all my time in the tripple digit speeds. (err... some of the time but very little I swear) I want a pipe that'll give me a nice flat torque line. I want power where I use it the most. That's what I love about the XB12, they got it right. It may be quiet but after spending 5 years on a really loud Sportster, I'm kinda craving quiet 
Though after seeing the chart for the Drummer, it looks like a perfect "street" pipe. That's just my thought. It looks pretty damn smooth accross the board which for my riding style is just what I'm looking for. Now ain't it too bad I ain't got a Buell yet? I for one would love to try out this marvel of marvels.
Anyway.. all I'm saying is you gotta look at a pipe's application. They are not all equal and they all serve different uses. First figure out what kind of riding you want to do then you can figure out which pipe is best. Because there is no such thing as a "best pipe". Really and truely. It's more like a "best pipe for your needs" kind of thing.
Bubba, I think you and your partner are onto something grand here. You will probably get big very fast once the Drummers start circulating. Just promise us one thing. No matter how busy you become, allways find some time to spend on this board. You (and too damn many ppl to mention) are an asset to us. It's nice to know I can pick your brain from time to time. |
Metalstorm
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 06:33 pm: |
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Christ I'm a slow typer. In all that time typing, Wyckedflesh put his post out and said it best. So let me just say... "yeah, what he said"
Beauty truely is in the eyes of the beer holder
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Steveford
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 06:34 pm: |
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Mr. Bubba,
This doesn't have to do with your cannister but thank you for the tip on the XB12 airbox lid. Finally got around to installing one yesterday and it does feel like it perked up the 9 a bit.
I think that Buckinfubba's a riot as I always think of it backwards as you intended. |
Buckinfubba
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 06:55 pm: |
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I have never bashed a pipe until I have to defend my own product . PURE AND SIMPLE. Infact I put the drummer up against the D&D on my own time on my day off, because some were making statements that weren't true.
I have said D&D makes a good product they made the best pipe in my eyes for the tubers. So maybe I was a little pissed at them for making a pipe that didn't have anysmoothness to it. which I belive can be done when some time is put into it.
I have never bashed the force. I have commented on price being a little high. I have commented on the D&D being high priced.
Please show this dumbass (me) where I bashed another pipe that was in the content of defending my product. AND IS IT REALLY BASHING WHEN THE FACTS ARE BEING PRESENTED AND PROVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY!!!
Noface
what you stated that you would have probably bought the drummer had it been on the market.
Once again I am not trying to fight here. But in my head I needed you to say this because I just wonder if your mad at the situation.
I've got no problem with you at all.
This argument started when someone said something about the drummer being unrefined. Well yes in a way it is. Thats probably why it works. Me and jason got ourselves explained and worked out. Then you come in saying I called the D&D a POS....
that I never said that . any anyway or fashion.
Did I state the facts that yes it is a better pipe all around. You bet. Did I say that the D&D sucks. No I didn't.
You can say anything you want about the drummer give it your best shot. But you can bet your ass if what you say is not correct and I have facts to back it up. I will come on hard. I figure I have the right. It is me and kevins products.
It is not like a politician. I don't lie. Hell I said buy what ya like and enjoy it. But if anybody states things wrong...what would you sit there and not correct it. If you say yes. I say get in the ring of public scrutiny. It ain't a walk in the park.
Now lets just agree to disagree.
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Grufflie
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 07:50 pm: |
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AMEN! |
Noface
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 08:03 pm: |
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No Bubba, I'm not mad at the situation.
I'm hacked the way you came on to Jasonblue for making a perfectly honest comment about one of your products. And you come down with the deadblow hammer. Is this the kind of ambassador you want to be for your products?
Yea, it's true I woulda considered buying one of your pipes had I the opportunity (I woulda had to hear it first). But I didn't. I'm happy w/what I got.
This is a FORCE pipe thread in the first place. Why the hell are we discussing others? Because someone posted an observation or opinion (that was not out of line), and you flew off the handle.
Turns out you and I were writing replies in this thread at the same time. Had I read your second response to Jasonblue (remember you posted that while I was typing my resp), I would never had commented here to begin with.
Agree to disagree? -I can deal with that. |
Jasonblue
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 08:14 pm: |
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Man i love a good debate, it really gets the blood pumpin doesn't it.
I just got one question for Wickedflesh. Where do you ride man? You spend most of your time at 2.75/3k or just below the soft limiter? I have to say I probably am at 4-6k 85% of the time. You must spend alot of time in parking lots or on the autobahn.
Jason |
Bads1
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 08:23 pm: |
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Wow that really sounds like your really given her 85% of the time. |
Jasonblue
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 08:39 pm: |
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Say what? |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 08:40 pm: |
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I am either cruising along with traffic in an easy gear (2.75/3k) or blitzing traffic just under the rev limiter. 6k in 4th on the freeway for example. But remember I am on a 12 so the bike is less frentic to cruise easily at just under 3k at 35-45. The average speed for the freeway here is a posted 65/75 but traffic tends to do 85/90. |
Grufflie
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 04:53 am: |
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I am either cruising along with traffic in an easy gear (2.75/3k) or blitzing traffic just under the rev limiter. 6k in 4th on the freeway for example. But remember I am on a 12 so the bike is less frentic to cruise easily at just under 3k at 35-45. The average speed for the freeway here is a posted 65/75 but traffic tends to do 85/90.
I know just what you meen. I think it'}s the awesum torque reserves of the 12 motor that allow these totally seperate riding styles. |
Buckinfubba
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 09:05 am: |
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Noface
Cool lets agree to disagree.
But one last thing. The honest comment that jason made was not dishonest but neither honest. His comment came from the fact that he thought the drummer was $600. So it was a misunderstanding in details.
Do I want to be that kinda embassador for the product.
sure why not. I guess I could sit on my hands and play stupid. or let others defend it. But that is not there job it is mine.the bikes we love to ride are concieced by a guy who defends these bikes harder than I have ever defended the pipe. thank god or we wouldn't have these bike today to ride. Thanks ERIK for being a Bastard about the bike you wanted to make. I for one am very Thankful to you!
and again I will say this.
I did not bad mouth the D&D I stated the facts that came out of testing both pipes. Now if the facts make it look like I am bad mouthing the D&D then I am sorry.
now good god let please hope force gets the issues worked out so we can build a campfire and sing kumbye ya my force kumbye ya!!!! |
Daves
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 09:22 am: |
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Can we sing it REALLY loud?
Please pass the smores.
Ride to the edge!
Dave
Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center) |
Buckinfubba
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 09:53 am: |
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the louder the better Brothers and sisters.
and the lord said....make a joyful noise!!!!!
God I hate the holidays ...it always brings out the best in the human race!!! |
Martin
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 11:16 pm: |
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what is a smore?
I suppose that it is a play on 'some more'and I just saw an episode of Will and Grace where he described himself as a 'smore whore' but I thought that that might have had something to do with Demi Moore (Smore please) who was in the same scene? |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 05:05 am: |
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Graham crackers, marshmallows & melted chocolate are how I remembere them. Old time camp out thing. |
Daves
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 07:46 am: |
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Oh my GOD! Dyna spelled "remember" wrong.
Dave |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 07:48 am: |
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Its the old world way of spelling Kings English or some bullshit like that. Kinda like Shoppe. |
Daves
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 08:00 am: |
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That'se whate Ye wase thinkinge.
Davee
Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center)e |
Cj_xb
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 09:55 am: |
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He can claim what he wants but MR. Spell Checker himself mis-spelled, hahahahahahahaha
CJ  |
99buellx1
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 10:58 am: |
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As for the refinement comment. You really need to see the Drummer in person, it looks much better than it does in the pictures.
And I personally like the sound, not too loud but with a nice low rumble.
Craig
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