| Author | Message | ||
     Roadkill |
Guys, I am new to this website.. like the looks of the Sport Twin Website, but noticed almost everyone there is here! Lots of good data here. Opinions of this please!!! See link below: http://inextinc.com/xb9r/prototype_velocitystack.htm I met one of the actual designers of this velocity stack while at Joe's Crab Shack near Stone Mountain Harley Davidson. Let me tell you from my actual experience.... WOW! is all I can say! This guy I just met let me take his XB9R out for a spin around Stone Mountain, GA... (well ok, he took my bike and followed me), but his bike was so freaking awesome that it just kicked ass! My bike has a Buell Race Kit only, but from looking as this guys bike, he too had no other mods on his bike that I could see. Then he took his seat off and un-screwed the external airbox cover and showed me this awesome looking velocity stack he claims to have built. I say that he "claims" this only because he said that Brion, his partner actually built it and that he just conceived the idea but worked quite close with this guy Brion. Has anyone else tried this velocity stack? I sure did and I got to tell ya that in the corners, I could ride a little better than this guy Corey, but he sure kicked my ass when he was on his bike.. it was freaking just plain low-end kick ass! I saw this guy take a twistie at 80 MPH and accelerate out of the twistie and he topped at over 100 and kept going! He only had a Buell Race Kit also but that damn velocity stack made the XB9R he was on sound like an S1 or X1 Tube-Framer 1203cc! It was music to my ears! It this thing for real or did he have NOS on the bike or something to just freak me out? Thoughts, Opinions ?????? Thank you - ROADKILL | ||
| Glitch |
Stone Mountain is down the street. This guy you met that let you ride his bike. Anyone I might know? | ||
| Darthane |
Ummm...yeah. Let's see if my internet connection has decided to allow me to post yet... | ||
| Darthane |
So anyways, why didn't you ASK him what other mods he had done to his bike? Unless he was lying to me or has several XB9Rs that he runs around on, that was not the only thing done to his bike by a LONG shot. edited by darthane on December 19, 2003 | ||
| Brion |
Guys, The person that Roadkill is refering to does have two XB9R's I am not sure which one Roadkill got to ride. Yesterday the velocity stack was dyno tested on a bone stock bike off the showroom floor and on a modified bike. The results were very good; however we are going to do some more dyno tests on a different dyno to compare the results. Two prototypes have been developed and patent pending numbers have been issued. Production will commence late December or early January. The dyno charts will be published after a little more testing. However; I am thrilled with the results of the one on my bike which has no internal mods to the engine. I don't want to say more than I can confirm and get bashed like last time I made a post unless I have documentation to prove what I claim. I posted photos of the alpha 1 prototype installed on my bike on the XB12R aircover thread. It is easy to install fits excellently actually seals to the throttle body better than the original and seals to the airbox bottom as the original does. Brion | ||
| Rsh |
Isn't the guy your talking about Corey James, he has his own XB site on MSN. He claims to be hooking up with American Sport Bike and now sells hipo parts and builds/mod's engines. He is the same guy who had the XB15 motor info. edited by RSH on December 19, 2003 | ||
| Glitch |
Brion, are you in the Stone Mountain area also? | ||
| Brion |
RSH, Admin has already warned me about referencing other sites. Roadkill since you are new here they don't like it when you give links to other sites. A business that advertises here will be selling the Velocity Stacks. Glitch, no I live nowhere near there, but will be riding out that way maybe in the spring. I want to ride deals gap and intend on moving to N.C. in about 5 years. | ||
| Rocketman |
I think it's ludicrous not to be able to link products or companies simply because they don't advertise here \ conflict with those that do. Hell it's not like several thousand or even several hundred people are gonna rush out and by from a non-Badweb sponsor - more like a mere handful if anyone at all - big deal. In the interest of all Buell owners surely this site should be a free haven for ANY Buell product and those companies that contribute to Badweb financially should regard their advertising privilege as a massive bonus in promoting their company. Having the Badweb a closed shop surely must prevent in certain circumstances some Buell product manufacturers sometimes posting here - to the detriment of Buell owners. Rocket  | ||
| Dcmortalcoil |
Why isn't the linking issue in the RULE OF CONDUCT for posting in this site? I guess that would contradict its mission: "Buelletin-Board-System/Discussion Forum for Buell® American Motorcycle enthusiasts." I see nothing wrong with promoting the sponsers here. Just make it clear. How are the newbies to know? My 2 cents. | ||
| Oconnor |
Wow, for the first time I agree with rocketman... Three cheers for you!!! | ||
| Fullpower |
roadkill, thanks for the quick reveiw. let us know when you get one on your bike, and how it runs, etc. welcome aboard........dean | ||
| Buckinfubba |
brion I think the idea is a good one. we use that type of velocity stack on the race bikes we have here at tilley's. couple of questions and if you want to email me or call me I would like to talk to you. the dyno that is posted on that sight also shows it having the hypo 02 sensor on the bike. that would add a lil bit that just simply bolting on would not achieve. plus is this going to be affordable or is it gonna be golden the only reason I say this is because of this: me and my partner kevin have a performance upgrade also and we kept it affordable and gave true dyno's of the product and it has help it be a success. you won't get rich off this one product, so my advise is don't try to. I am not trying to start a fight here or imply anything. Just be fair and honest and everything else will follow. Good luck and I am very interested in seeing how this works. I sincerly hope it does because I can already see in mind what this upgrade would do for a bike with the drummer installed. Brian Tilley hd/buell buckinfubba@hotmail.com 704-872-3883 | ||
| Stoobr2 |
Please excuse my naivety but this "Hypo" 02 sensor mentioned,will this part alone add to the overall gains shown on the dyno-graph? As I have made enquirys about purchasing a velocity stack/thermal blanket for my 9s,but there was no mention of an upgraded sensor as part of the package....... | ||
| Brion |
Stoobr2, If you look at the black line on the graph this is without the hipo sensor. There is little difference on the HP curve, it was added mainly because the bike was running lean midrange and this helped out. Brion | ||
| Jerseyguy |
Bubba brings up a very important point: "plus is this going to be affordable or is it gonna be golden"? I own and operate an engineering and manufacturing company and making low volume parts in America is not cheap - this ain't China. NC machine time is typically $75/hr and then there is R&D, design, drafting and programming time required. Not to mention the intellectual time to invent something. The first velocity stack probably cost thousands to create. You've got to charge a high price or have a high volume to make money. | ||
| Glitch |
$290 with the thermal blanket. | ||
| Glitch |
I saw one in a catalog I have here for $138 and $158. The difference in the two is one is short and one is long. I'm leaving out which company until I find out more. | ||
| Rocketman |
Oconnor we may clash on the war page or choice of favourite Buell and I'll be the first to admit (as Blake once said) I like to stir the pot but without me around the Badweb wouldn't have quite as much character - whether or not this is a good thing is not down to me  Rocket | ||
| Brion |
Glitch, There is more to it than that the short one does not seal to the bottom of the air box nor does it seal in the throttle body. If you look closely it does not have a radius or angle that works as on inductor. It is almost flat across the top. You decide. Brion | ||
| Brion |
Glitch, Also, I believe the price you are looking at is in pounds. Brion | ||
| Glitch |
Brion, we aren't talking about the same product. I know the difference in pounds and dollars, and US and UK catalogs. Don't get me wrong, I do believe a better built velocity stack is more than just possible, I just look really hard at how I spend my hard earned cash. There are products out there that are proven to increase performance on the XB that I haven't bought because of price. I just know first hand how the 12 box top helps, and that's why I'm so curious about a better stack. For $300 though I may just have to save a little bit more and get some head work done instead. So I'm just trying to do what's practical for me, and find out what's the best bang for the buck in my head. That's why I ask so many questions. Just take a look at the huge discussions about the Drummer, and you'll see what people here want is information and hard facts. Not argumentative, just extremely curious. | ||
| Brion |
Glitch, Thanks for the reminder of how you guys reply to my posts. I'm glad you know the difference between pounds and dollars. The price for the velocity stack that we have developed has not been released anywhere and only two prototypes are in exsistence. Any information you get that is not from Corey or myself should be seriously considered. By the way whoever roadkill is Corey said he did not let anyone ride his bike and don't know what the hell you are talking about. Brion | ||
| Glitch |
OK now I'm totally confused. Brion said:The person that Roadkill is refering to does have two XB9R's I am not sure which one Roadkill got to ride. Then said:By the way whoever roadkill is Corey said he did not let anyone ride his bike and don't know what the hell you are talking about.  In the beginning all I was trying to do was meet up with some local riders. Then someone asked about the cost of the velocity stack, and I provided a link to another thread, to help keep this thread on topic, rather than hijack it trying to meet new friends. A thread you were a part of. Then I posted that I was looking into another stack from a different company for less money, and you came up with thinking you already knew what I was talking about. But (hopefully) needless to say, I'm not trying to bust balls here. As far as Roadkill is concerned, I was mainly wondering if Pete had already contacted him and this other guy from Stone Mountain, about the upcoming meeting. | ||
| Easyflier |
I'm guessing this velocity stack and blanket are good for an easy 3-4 HP? (assuming the $100 per HP rule). | ||
| Oldmanfirebolt |
Looks more like a soap than a discussion board! I am in Atlanta got here mid-Friday, arrived at Stone Mountain Harley-Davidson and ate lunch at Joe's Crab Shack. Got to go with Brion on this one however, I NEVER MET ANY GUY CALLED ROADKILL! I met up with two other Buell's one 2001 X1 and the other a White XB9S. Yep, we rode... they were quite assholes but I NEVER LET ANYONE RIDE MY BIKE. I am sure someone on this web knows who these a-holes were as I am sure that Roadkill does as well bashing my riding abilities... truth be told, I try and obey the laws on the road but I did need to teach a little humility to the X1 Guy for telling me my XB9R Sounded like it was not even on next to his X1. Truth be told also, it was true that I could not even hear my bike running, but once on the roads and into the twisties, I smoked their ass! So, RoadDICK, (sorry Roadkill), where are you now? I think that you found out that I was on this web and you now have a bit of humble pie! Thanks for the kind words however, if it were you that I met on the XB, but you never even so much sat on my bike. If you will recall I said, "no touch, no sit" I am very particular about who even touches my XB's. And the little puke that was on the 2001 X1, my old 2002 X1W would clean your clock as well any day! So come on folks, grow up (speaking to Roadkill) save your dreams and the like for when you grow up and know what you want to be when you get there. At 39 yrs. old you would think that I would grow up also and not show off with speed and such on the roads, but some twits need a lesson. Keep it safe guys, keep the speed for the track, I thought this site was just to share information and I have obeyed all rules to not post any references to my sites. Brion, Tilley's H-D/Buell called me wanting to try one of our velocity stacks in their testing stating it was very much like what they use on their race bikes... I recommend we give him the first runs and let them have at it! And I would totally agree with Easyflier that $100 per HP rule is about right... that would put our prototypes to over $700 USD not including development time. CNC will drop the price of manufacture, it WILL NOT change the rules of price per HP! I am waiting for Mr. Roadkill to chime in, all that I know is everytime I go to Atlanta I have some Buell twit on my ass around Stone Mountain that thinks he is big shit! Well, many got smoked this weekend! Keep it for the road boys, or your life will be short! When you are man enough and want to race, let's go to the track, you name the time and place, I will be there! Corey edited by oldmanfirebolt on December 20, 2003 | ||
| Nevco1 |
And now for Round 2...Ding Ding!!!  | ||
| Buckinfubba |
ok lets all calm down...can't believe I just said that. corey it was good talking to you and learning some of what you are doing. thanks for sending up a test unit also. I will say this to everybody, my gut reaction is this will work , to what extent I won't know until it is tested, but my brain and gut tell me it makes perfect sense. and in theroy is a great idea. we will see and once tested you will know. asap. so before this gets into a fight lets simmer down a little and wait for some results. Brian Tilley hd/buell buckinfubba@hotmail.com | ||
| Oldmanfirebolt |
Brian, Thanks I agree! You are a good ref! Must be a coach?? At any rate, here is the link to the Ceramic Coating that I used on my modified 2003 XB9R http://www.envirotrol-inc.com/ I have now 3 prototypes for a Thermal Blanket that mounts under the air box of the XB9/XB12 Air Box. They are good for reducing about 15 degrees of air temp in the box (testing with a thermal-couple while riding), and all designs are good but I used the Ceramic Coating designed by Envirotol, Inc. About 6 years ago, I did some web-computer consulting for Mr. Nick Smith, Owner of Envirotrol, Inc. when I lived in Conyers, Georgia. For the "kit" however of both a velocity stack and a thermal blanket, I agree that it would be better for the installer if it were not a "paint-on" chemical coating so I designed a thin Thermal Barrier that works just as well as the coating. I should complete the design of the thermal blanket that I am going to release to American Sport Bike by Tuesday.. I am traveling this weekend and I plan on taking most of next week off until pretty close to the end of the month. Thanks and we will be in touch! CBJ | ||
| Jerseyguy |
Corey, I'll call you on Monday afternoon. Steve |
