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Chainsaw
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dyna: I'm guessing you did a tandem jump. Try a static line jump. Comes with 8 odd hours of instruction, and if you screw up, you won't die with another man pancaked on top of you! :)
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Brucelee
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How true. Good post Chainsaw!
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Aydenxb9
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was kidding about the Darts, absolutely no offense taken! Though it does prove the point about perceptions. Dyna, give me a Swinger and $1,000 and I can dispel that notion that they don't handle well. The problems with those things were all in spring and sway rates(or rather the lack there of in most cases for the latter) not the geometry, it's killer. I'm of the same mind as Brucelee. I haven't a complaint other than the notchy shifting, and even that's no worse than the last 3 Hondas I've been on.
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Dynarider
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 05:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Chainsaw, nope I did static line. We had the 8hrs of class....almost passed out during it too.

Went with a buddy of mine & his wife, she weighs about 105lbs. We opened the door of the plane & she swung her legs out to step on that tiny little platform & as soon as she reached for the strut...WHOOSH...she was gone. Got sucked right out:D

And springs on a Dart? The piles I owned had those screwed up torsion bars. Maybe someone with $$$ to blow could get one to handle, but stock they sucked.
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Aydenxb9
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 06:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

True, they do Dyna, but a T-bar still has "spring rate", actually a "wheel rate". And as I said before, $1,000 will get one cornering surprisingly well. I know this because it's what I used to do on the side to earn extra money, set up Mopars for HP street handling and oval track racing.

Since this isn't about old Dodges and their cornering prowess I'll add this: I like my Buell even better than any, no, most of my old cars! The magazine hacks don't know squat. And lastly for something only remotely related, I'm getting a Drummer!
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Grufflie
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

WELCOME
to the Drummers Club International!
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 01:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thank you Gruff.
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Dynarider
Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 02:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

back on topic now, is anyone....Blake??...gonna write this lame assed mag & cuss them out?

personally I think 24yrs old..thats Starks age..is a bit young & his inexperience shows.
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Rocketman
Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 07:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Perhaps the writer doesn't want to understand the Buell simply because it offers him nothing superior to his personal preferences wrt other rides other than the quirkyness of a Buell which is probably of no consequence to him. Especially so if he's only 24. At that age I don't think I'd want an XB either. The question is - why would someone older? Answer that and you might understand from where the 24 year old tester might be coming from. JMO.

Steve, not to take you to task on anything (not allowed on Badweb )

It reminds of the Motorcyclist position on the original CBR900RR, where they declared its geometry and small front wheel made it unstable -- while myself and many others found it an amazingly good street sportbike.

That was in fact true wrt the 16 inch Blade front wheel even though as you say it was a very well received street sports bike. In the UK the first Blades killed a few riders and that front wheel and the handling there of was blamed. Incidentally those early Blades are quite desirable now - being the rawest and very fast too and given Hondas effort to constantly improve it(less raw). How times change.

Rocket
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Rocketman at 24 I was trying to come up with the cash to buy a sportster engine to put in the featherbed frame I had gotten ahold of at the time. Ended up trading the featherbed frame for a Rickman framed CB450 twin that needed rebuilding. So that milage may vary from 24 year old to 24 year old.
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Mitchelob
Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

At age 24 I bought my first "new" bike, an XLCH. I've owned numerous Ducs, Beemers, Triumphs, Hondas, and a Kawi since then. Now, at age 51 I own the one bike that MOST turns me on...XB12S. Go figure...
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Nevco1
Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I like Buells. Therefore, I must be old.
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Bigdaddy
Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Let's just invite Mr. Starks to bring the best motorcycle he's every ridden (he's 24 so that should make it pretty easy for him to decide on a bike) to The Gap and he can show us his superb riding skills.
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Glitch
Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

he can show us his superb riding skills.
YEAH!
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Bradj
Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Perhaps this Stark guy needs to wake up with a Pegasus in his bed
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Nevco1
Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ahhh...That would be something akin to the scene from "The Godfather, Part I." LMAO
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Darthane
Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

'I like Buells. Therefore, I must be old.'

LOL...that Stark fellow's got two years on me...

...I like Buells, and most of the time I FEEL old, does that count?

Bryan
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Spike
Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Woah! What's up with XBs being for "old" people? I'm only 22 and I just bought my XB12R two months ago.

Just to stay on topic- Neither SportRider or Motorcyclist will see another dime of my money until they lose this anti-Buell/anti-Harley bias. The least they could do is grow-up and act like a professional magazine.


Mike Luddy, Jr.
'04 XB12R (handles just fine, thankyouverymuch!)
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Skully
Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do you guys recall the test Cycle World did last year? I don't have the magazine here at work, but I recall they set up a test course a had several bikes involved.

The 2003 XB9R was only a couple of hundredths of a second behind the first place Honda CBR600 F4. The XB can't handle that bad.

Keith
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Glitch
Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 02:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The XB can't handle that bad.
That's according to who's doin' th' handlin'...

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Joojoo
Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I read the whole article last night...whatever. Truth is, I dont want them riding our bikes anyway...They're for us. They're too good for them. They're asses are not worthy of touching the seat of the Buells. And when I hit the throttle, and fire by them while they're waiting for their little 4 bangers to wind up, they can write an article about the unique colour of my girls thong..Itll probably be a better article then the one I read in the mag...

Jack
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Rocketman
Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So Jack any pic's of your girls thong? Preferably with her in it

Rocket
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Joojoo
Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Digicam is charging as we speak...

Stay tuned...


Jack






edited by joojoo on December 15, 2003
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Jmartz
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm torn. Can't decide what I like best, the thrill of quick acceleration of my now defunct R1 or the beauty and fun factor of my now retired S1.
I seem to believe that 998/999 would likely offer the best of both worlds. Decent low and mid with acceptable top. Too bad 10K will only get me another UJM.
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Blackhat
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Who cares...... Let's see the thong.

Blackhat
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José_quiñones
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 09:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Motorcyclist certainly treated the Buell harshly, but no more so than some of the Brittish (Bike, Superbike, etc) bike mags when they compared the XB9S to some of these same bikes last year.

For example here is one of the comments that appeared in the Superbike February 2003 issue:


quote:

Buell XB-9S Lightning
So near yet so far. Such a clever, innovative chassis and such a dog of a powertrain. It may have the highest specific output of any air-cooled push-rod twin but when that totals 78bhp it’s time to get a new motor. The gearbox is akin to lucky dip, the overrun fuelling makes as much sense as American Football and it runs out of revs just when you think it’s getting going. The chassis, for all its tiny dimensions on paper, struggles for the want of proper rear ride height instead of using a steering damper to calm things. Consequently it doesn’t turn like it should and needs those wide bars to get it leant over. We can’t call it too small, there must be a market for shorter riders, but anyone over 5’10” looks ridiculous on it.
Having said that, Big Dave loves it’s impressive stunting ability and it can be fun to pootle around on. It ain’t for thrashing though. This is what the Firebolt should have been, but both should have been a lot




Bike magazine also found the handling odd, noting: "Demands total commitment otherwise it feels like the front tire is flat."

My favorite part of the Motorcyclist article is the Lincoln quote: "People who like this sort of thing will find this is the sort of thing they like".
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Tripper
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jmartz: TUONO! Comfy, fast, kinda ugly from the side, but your gonna ride it not look at it.
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Turn to the end of the magazine, and read the first of the last article...
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What does it say Glitch?
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's by the same guy that bashed the Buell.
I don't have the mag with me, but it starts out with him saying he doesn't know how to ride...
Then it goes on about him going to wheelie school, or something to that effect. It's just the first sentence or two is funny, cause he says he can't ride (he may be trying to be funny), I haven't read it yet as it just came in the mail last night.
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