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Author Message   Dynarider Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 05:52 am:        But the concomitant weight that arrives WITH that power, including the larger brakes and suspension all of a sudden produce the need for MORE power just to carry the weight. Endless circle, eh? Steve A already gave the weight figures for the differences between the 2 power plants & it works out that the revo motor with radiator & coolant would be about 35lbs more than the present setup. That amount of weight wouldnt require any more suspension than is already on the bike. If one wanted dual discs could be installed. How much would 1 extra rotor & caliper weigh? Maybe 7-8 lbs? An extra 40 lbs on that bike wouldnt tax the hp output of the revo motor very much at all.   Smadd Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 09:19 am:        Quote: "If you want to spend $17000 on a "fast" motorcycle, buy a $7000 used xb9, forward ship it to Nallin or Cycle Rama, followed by a check for $10000." Reply quote: "And I end up with a handgrenade of a bike with "possible" limited life expectancy, & zero warranty not to mention the $10,000 check that I would have to pull out of thin air." Whoah! First of all, the $10,000 figure was totally pulled out of the air with no basis in fact. Second of all, if Nallin or Cycle-Rama (or any other GOOD shop) builds ya something, you can bet it should be built with more exacting tolerances and care than when new. Third of all... my 1998 S3, stock displacement, breathed on (quite a bit) by Cycle-Rama, probably STILL puts out over 110 RWHP and has 50,000 miles on it!!!! Uses no oil... starts every time... and runs like the proverbial (insert adjective of choice)! So yes, anything is "possible"... you can end up with a hand grenade. But... then again... perhaps not!   Phillyblast Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 09:30 am:        Man, I'm scared at the thought of 10G into an XB. I'd have to put training wheels on my helmet to ride it.   Xben9r Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 09:53 am:        You know if you look real close at the dash on an XB, you will notice that there is an extra dummy light.... Possibly a future water temp light? I'm not really saying anything just stirring the pot, because as anyone who works in factory type production you use parts that are going to fit for as many years as you can. once again, I'll put the crack pipe down now and step away. Ben   Daves Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 10:11 am:        "A revo powered XB would have enough power for anyone & everyone," Right up until about 5 minutes after they would build the first one. Then some people would be bitchin that it isn't enough. Ride to the edge! Dave Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center)   Reepicheep Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 12:02 pm:        That $10000 figure was based on the likely street price of a revolution powered XB ($17000) minus the cost of a lightly used XB9 ($7000). That leaves $10000 for Cycle Rama or Nallin Racing. Course, for that same $17000, you could pick up a bone stock pretty nice Aprilla. Of course, it would have 50 horses less at the rear wheel then Pammy's 1200 cc pushrod air cooled 45 degree twin   Boulderbiker Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 12:37 pm:        It also wouldn't be made in the USA or have as much pinache ;o) I was planning on getting an RSV before they came out with the XB12R and I'm glad I went with the Buell, there's not really anything that can keep with these things in the corners, even the Mille. Besides, I just love the simplicity of these bikes. Technology is only good where it really advances something, which I guess goes right in line with the rest of this topic   M2cyclone00 Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 12:46 pm:        Dyna, there are those of us who are over 40, slim, & excercise daily (or twice daily). We do care about the weight of the bike we're riding & our own. If I want a heavy bike with power, I'll get a Sportster & send it to Pammy & Wes at Cycle-Rama. Otherwise, I'd be much happier with an XB, be it a 9 or a 12, than any OHC powered Buell if it has a wheelbase longer than 52" or any additional weight. Grenade? Wes doesn't work as a munitions contractor for the Department of Defense. His engines are solid. Mine has 30,000 miles & is running very well. I have faith that it will continue doing so for a very long time.   Smadd Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 01:15 pm:        "That $10000 figure was based on the likely street price of a revolution powered XB ($17000) minus the cost of a lightly used XB9 ($7000). That leaves $10000 for Cycle Rama or Nallin Racing." Oh! Nevermind then. Yes... I'm sure C-R or Nallin would fix you up with just about whatever your little heart desires for that amount! I like our motors... they can be so much fun to play with! And when done just right, they can be a great source of satisfation.   Blake Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 11:37 pm:        Dyna, Cycle-Rama or Nallin Racing engines are grenades??!! That is complete nonsense. I just finished my 6th race on my Nallinized '97 M2 and am pushing towards 1,000 miles of track time on it as well as thousands of miles of road use. If racing with the likes of Ducati 996's and GSXR600's hasn't blown the engine, I fail to see the credibility of your lame assertion. Oh, I paid just over three large for my engine work, I paid $6K for the bike used with 6,900 miles on it in 2001. OHR Formula 40 Amateur Race results (9/28/03)... Pos Riders Name B# Make Hometown Sponsors 1 Shane Adair 760 Yam YZF-R6 Meridian, TX Dunlop,Silkolene,EBC Brakes 2 Michael Nellis 270 Hon RC51 Georgetown, TX Dunlop, EBC, Silkolene 3 Thomas Gathright 216 Hon CBR600F4 Crossett, AR Michelin, LP USA, Saiia Construction 4 Kevin Eggert 108 Hon RC51 Clovis, NM High Desert Honda, Lockhart Phillips, Dunlop 5 Bill Underwood 654 Yam YZF-R6 Fort Worth, TX Pirelli, EBC, Silkolene 6 Blake Rudy 131 Buell M2 Kilgore,TX BadWeatherBikers.com, Michelin, AGV Sport, Joe Rocket 7 Michael Hamric 303 Yam YZF-R6 Spring, TX LP, Pirelli/Metzeler, EBC 8 Charles Christine 407 Hon CBR600F2 Arlington, TX LRC Racing,Dunlop,EBC Brakes,Vortex,VP Racing Fuel, Sharkskins,Silkolene Oils 9 Keith Thrash 211 Hon CBR600F3 Kilgore, TX Colby's Lawn Service, Angela Thrash, Vertex RS1 10 Chris Kotowski 162 Suz GSXR600 Abilene, TX 11 Brigido Valverde 915 Ducati 996 Bethany, OK 12 Jose Saenz 995 Ducati 996 Oklahoma OK 13 David Lee 569 Hon CBR600 Shreveport LA 14 David Starks 128 Hon CBR600 Minden, LA I believe that one of the CBR600's did indeed grenade. edited by blake on October 06, 2003   Dynarider Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 12:45 am:        Blake, I said POSSIBLE. I agree that Nallin & cyclerama do excellent work & most likely your bike will be more reliable than stock. But anyone who thinks that a 130hp tube framer cant be a tempermental machine is kidding themselves. If the $$$ gods work out this winter, I will be pulling the heads on my dyna & sending them to nallin. If I didnt trust their work I sure as hell wouldnt even consider them.   Court Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 07:19 am:        >>>But anyone who thinks that a 130hp tube framer cant be a tempermental machine is kidding themselves. We simply, I submit, have the "cause and effect" parts of this argument confused. Being "hopped up" or "a tube frame" do not, by virture simply thereof, become tempremental.   S320002 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 10:05 am:        "And they are not the "american" made bikes that a few of us seek. There is a certain amount of pride with owning either a Harley or a Buell." Given a choice between the real Mona Lisa and an "american" copy I'd take the real thing. On the other hand there are original works by an American artist that I prefer for day in and day out enjoyment.   Pattonme Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 10:39 am:        I realize this has now turned into simulated "war" over stupid stuff but in keeping with the subject heading and the earlier part of the thread: How do us civilians get our comments to the XB designers? How does Eric get input from current/future customers about what they want fixed, or changed? Is there an owner's survey? I was looking hard at a 9R and realized that it would be EASY, *really* EASY for a RT version to happen. You'd need to modify one part - the footpeg hanger (make a longer casting), and make another out of aluminum flat stock to allow adjustable positioning of the front fairing assembly ala adjustable rearsets.   Court Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 11:05 am:        How do us civilians get our comments to the XB designers? The design team frequently attends events and are alltapped in to a variety of sources from the internet to riding clubs. How does Erick get input from current/future customers about what they want fixed, or changed? Pretty much same as the above. He is frequently on the road, has likely logged more miles with owners than most Motozectives (with the exception of Willie G), and is constantly watching, feeling, thinking and listening to the group above. Is there an owner's survey? There is, or has been, at various times As a sidebar, public comment is one of the best methods of communicating ideas. Harley-Davidson (and soem other companies) have a REAL problem with engineers talking "design specifics" at events. It's a long story complicated by experience and the American judicial system. Court (who has actually had someone start a casual conversation and quickly get to "oh yeah, I just happen to have a detailed CAD drawing in my back pocket")   Glitch Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 11:37 am:        How do us civilians get our comments to the XB designers? I just got my 2nd survey in the mail yesterday... Well I just got a postcard saying to look out for another survey...   Blake Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 03:04 pm:        Dyna, In that light, your brain is a "possible" grenade.   Court Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 03:20 pm:        Blake: You butt! Come get this Dr. Pepper off my monitor! Court   Bads1 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 03:25 pm:          Dblhaulxb9s Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 03:31 pm:        I would like nothing more than to have my XB9R produce 170 ponies but I don't think Buell will ever do that not unless they start using a different motor all together. Maybe try the brand new Ducati power plant that is in their GP bike (I know, no one, not even Christ himself could get one of those yet). It is a 4 cylinder 90 degree V. Each side of the V fires at the same time giving it V-twin type power (lots of torque and hp all over the rpm range) but since there are 4 cylinders it can rev much higher and for longer. Not to mention, it is liquid cooled. I also really like their valve train, it kicks ass. I know you are probably saying "just go and by a Ducati then" I don't want a Duc (not totally true I want a 748 bad), I like Buells. I like they way they handle, the way they look and the way they perform. I just think that Buell needs to step into the 21 century with their motors like harley did, but go one step(or more) further. There is my 23 cents. Morgan   Mikej Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 03:33 pm:        Has anyone put a Ducati engine into a Buell chassis yet?   Dblhaulxb9s Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 03:38 pm:        I don't think so, If I had the cash that is what I would be doing right now. Morgan   Road_thing Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 05:55 pm:        Morgan: If you had the cash, I could put you onto a real sweet '98 M900! r-t   Docrecon Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 08:31 am:        I think it's really cool you run your M2 on the track and on the street! Congrats on 6th place, hope I get to see you run sometime! Blake sez: I just finished my 6th race on my Nallinized '97 M2 and am pushing towards 1,000 miles of track time on it as well as thousands of miles of road use. If racing with the likes of Ducati 996's and GSXR600's hasn't blown the engine, I fail to see the credibility of your lame assertion. Oh, I paid just over three large for my engine work, I paid $6K for the bike used with 6,900 miles on it in 2001.   Tropicana69 Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:00 am:        I would like to put a Buell engine of say 500cc -600cc Fuel Injected in a Dresda Frame! Or maybe XB9 that sat low enough for a short person like Ducati and others accomidate shorter riders!! LOL! Tropicana69   Turnagain Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:06 pm:        how's about the Next Iteration? R....S....T!!! was gonna install a vrsc, but everyone knows it's too big -- or is the XB too small? had a vmax motor (w/ radiator) ready to install, but would have been a pain -- plus, we know that ain't gonna happen either. options: carbon fiber saddle bag covers dual front discs (for those that want the balanced stopping power) translucent or carbon lowers (shaped better than rendered here) and for those that say tourers don't sell, open the latest Fuell and see what's pictured across the inside cover (p.2-3). oh yeah, you can't tell that the frame's been stretched and widened for more fuel capacity. over   Dbensavage Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:39 pm:        Maybe Next year we'll get a XB14..... with a baker 6 speed... and dual perimiter front brakes... Just tryin to keep this thread lively!!!!   Dynarider Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:42 pm:        was gonna install a vrsc, but everyone knows it's too big -- or is the XB too small? To phrase it like court would...Thats incorrect.   Dbensavage Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:45 pm:        oh... almost forgot the Stage 3 Nallin heads and did someone mention a force pipe? a lifetime unlimited mileage warranty would be great to!!!!   Martin Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 03:16 am:        You wouldn't need the bigger frame if you used my idea for P51-style drop tanks in the panniers, with dry-break connectors.(aybe you could have them just in the lids)That way, you only pay a dynamic penalty for the increased range/weight when it doesn't matter.