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Tx05xb12s
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 04:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

2003-2007: http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/3 922/473/

2008: http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/3 924/473/
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Tx05xb12s
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ooooooo tasty...they come in black.

http://gsg-moto.de/
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

nice find.
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Tx05xb12s
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wish they put a bigass crash bobbin on the ignition cover side though. This still won't protect the header from the inevitable ding if you go down on the right side. And looking at the primary side, the oil cooler isn't guarded either. Best I've seen nonetheless and would reduce damage more than having nothing. I just may have to look at getting a set after I finish my trunk installation. My money tree in the back yard is on the fritz lately.

(Message edited by TX05xb12s on April 27, 2008)
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M1combat
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not so fast... They're mounted to the engine block it seems.

While they look more effective and less potentially damage causing than the LSL sliders I'm not entirely certain I like their mounting location. Keep in mind that the block is Aluminum and those threads weren't really meant to take that sort of load. Like I said though... certainly better than the LSL solution.
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Teddagreek
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



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Mr_gto
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 07:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

For $225, i will buy a new oil cooler if it gets wrecked!
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Tx05xb12s
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 08:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah they are kinda proud of them aren't they. A little in the farkle category as opposed to must-have protection maybe? I was thinking after I posted about them that I could break a lot of shifters/brake petals and have my primary/ignition covers repainted before I got a return on the investment. Still nice though. I may get some anyway just because I've bought about every other blasted thing you can bolt onto our bikes; may as well have these too.
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Jpb
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I wouldn't worry about the aluminum threads...if you look at the plate it has standoffs where the screws are so they will transfer the impact to the main housing not the threads.

From what you can see in the picture...it's a very nicely CNC machined piece of work but it could certainly be made a WHOLE LOT CHEAPER and be just as functional...
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Xbswede
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nice I wish I had one of those about a month ago. I broke my shifter and the bolt holding the shifter to the primary. The bolt ripped a hole in the primary cover as the shifter bent and put a side load on the bolt.
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Tx05xb12s
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 01:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Aron that's one hot looking S model you've got there. Good point in your post. Though the price is inflated just like most everything else aftermarket, avoiding the damage you describe would pay for these first time out.

As for being mounted to aluminum, the way they hug the covers on each side lead me to believe they wouldn't rip out the threads since the energy would be transferred from one flat plane to the next. An impact hard enough to dent in the primary or ignition cover behind the crash bobbins is probably hard enough to have caused major damage anyway, so the point may be moot. I like them.
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Retrittion
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 01:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Umm, the price is a bit much -- but maybe some people will check them out and give some feedback.
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Semirgdj
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 02:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just tested the Buell "puck" frame sliders.. THEY WORK GREAT!!!!
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Xbswede
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Philip.

Price is overinflated but may save a person from being stranded if it helps keep the controls of the ground. The Frame pucks only helps protect the frame itself.
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Swordsman
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pft, I already posted that.

~SM
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Nautique4life
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

:::-possible thread hijack-:::

Semi,
How did you 'test' them?

I 'tested'mine the other day when I grabbed a handful on my buddies steep incline driveway. It's ok I wanted CRG levers anyway.
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Skinstains
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 12:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have the ultimate Buell XB platform frame sliders. If someone can tell me how to put a picture from my PC into this thread, I would be happy to show them to you guys. I actually have a picture of them being used. Yes a still shot of them saving my frame in a race crash at VIR. Please help me learn how to put the pic on here.
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Tx05xb12s
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 04:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

type \ image{type name of pic} (no space between \ and image) and post your message. It'll give you the opportunity to browse your hard drive and choose the pic you want to post. There's more instructions in the Member Pictures section. You may also need some compression software if the pic is too large. There are instructions on how/where to download XAT.com's software there as well.
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Trojan
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 04:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The GSG Moto engine case protectors are NOT frame protectors, and are narrower than the frame. if your bike goes down with these fitted it will still hit the frame first. The only part that the GSG bobbins protect is the engine.

The Buell frame pucks are good for slow speed/car park type falls but on a number of occasions have unfortunately been known to come adrift at anything more than walking pace. This is because the double sided tape that holds them on just doesn't have enough surface area, and once the outer edge of the puck hits something they are very easy to tear off (I pulled ours off the Uly in the garage with my hands!).

All frame protectors are only good to a point, and in some accidents will be nothing more than ornaments. I have seen some crash protectors on Japanese bikes cause more damage than they prevented when they were ripped out of the frame.

In our experience the best crash protectors are the full length carbon/kevlar sliders that have a huge surface area and no sharp edges to catch on the ground. These deal with most accident scenarios extremely well and have good abrasion resistance as well.

Second place would go to the R&G crash protectors, which are mounted across the upper engine mount on substantial aluminium bars.
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Randomchaos
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ive seen an XB go down at the track doing about 45-50mph. The frame pucks did a damn good job, didnt budge at all.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Maybe they're no good in England because it's always wet and cold there?
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Maybe they're no good in England because it's always wet and cold there? Not the best for adhesion.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Randomchaos - keyword there is "track".

Track surface is much smoother than typical road surface.
Frame pucks are more likely to slide than grab-and-rip like they would on a rough road surface like old tarmac with potholes.

Similar reason you don't want XBRR wheels on the street...

Z
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Randomchaos
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Good point Zac! I hadnt even thought of that.
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Trojan
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Maybe they're no good in England because it's always wet and cold there?

Not always....although funnily enough there is a huge thunder storm going on here right now!
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Zpyro
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I went down at probably 40+ mph. Frame pucks worked fine, didn't rip off and protected the frame.




(Message edited by zpyro on April 29, 2008)

(Message edited by zpyro on April 29, 2008)
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Ratyson
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I wonder why Buell has not yet put some type of mount for a frame slide on the bikes yet?
They could easily add some mounting points, say where the Buell frame sliders go, ensure that they can carry a heavy load, and then change the design of the frame pucks from an adhesive attachment, to a bolt-on application.
They could also add something to the swingarm along the same lines.
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Zpyro
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't know if I'd want something hard like CF covering the rubber pucks...wouldn't they just get all kinds of scratched up and/or broken if you went down?
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Matt,

The Buell OEM frame pucks when they first came out suffered from a poor quality adhesion issue similar to what you describe. That was quickly resolved and I've heard of no other instances where they've failed to protect well any Buell that employs them.

The great thing about the OEM frame protectors is that they not only protect against abrasion, but are designed to protect against denting upon initial impact.

Maybe optimum protection would be the carbon fiber sleeve with the OEM sliders as well for added impact protection.

Seems like a similar well-adhered stick-on product for the engine cases might be a good seller. I see where Loctite is now selling an all-weather structural adhesive tape. Hmmm... : )
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