| Author | Message | ||
     No_rice |
i like mine. but of course, that is why I bought it. because I LIKE IT! not because someone else thought it was cool. i really could not care less about popular opinion most of the time. i listen to what people have to say. in the end I decide what works the best for me, and what makes me the happiest. it shouldn't be any other way | ||
| Daves |
I agree. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Yohinan whats on a Buell made in China?? I know the wheels are made in China. My point wasn't that a cheap product isn't a cheap product. It is. But if product "A" meets the same performance guidlines as product "B", the rest is style, name, durability, features, comfort, etc. As an example: Breitling makes semi-luxury watches (same semi-luxury level as Rolex). Audemars Piaget, Frank Muller, Patek Philippe are true luxury watches IMHO. Rolexes are for people who don't know any better. Breitling uses a Valjoux 7750 movement for many of their chronographs. This particluar movement is also used by Bell, Fortis, Oris, etc. A Fortis watch costs less than half as much as a Breitling but uses the same movement. If I was hung up on the style or name, I would buy a Breitling. But I know that both watches will perform the same. It's just a matter of taste and what I'm willing to spend. If both are COSC certified chronometers, the only difference is what are you willing to pay for style and name brand. As an aside: 85% of the mechanical watches use movements from the same sources (ETA, Lemania, Valjoux). All of these formerly independent watch manufacturers are currently owned by Swatch. I think it's interesting that 85% of the watch market is supplied by movements from the cheapest Swiss watch in the world. All that to say, if a helmet passes TUV, Snell or DOT, it passes. Those tests are unbiased and unambiguous. A $200 dollar Snell approved helmet will protect as well as a $500 Shell approved helmet. You can claim otherwise, but it just ain't true. (Message edited by ft_bstrd on November 29, 2006) (Message edited by ft_bstrd on November 29, 2006) | ||
| Daves |
I'd like to know how a watch can save your life? Rocket? Ft_b? | ||
| Rocketman |
Merc have lost out to the Lexus brand on reliability and poor quality control? Maybe that's what the stat's show? The problem with JD Power surveys is they're only as accurate as those participating. Those pseudo pretend rich will brag like hell about how great their Lexus is, because of course it is, but it also makes themselves feel better about their choice. Accordingly the survey score is high. The Merc owner paid for the privilege of expensive discretion. They wouldn't cheapen the brand by ever entertaining a JD Power survey. As Merc owners they have nothing to prove. Accordingly the survey score is poor (only those unfortunate to score a 'bad' Merc will participate). Rocket | ||
| Rocketsprink |
You won't get home late causing your Wife to Kill you? | ||
| Kandie |
That's why I bought Dave a $800 watch!  | ||
| Daves |
Rocket, we agree again! This is very disturbing to me.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Dave, I'm simply practicing my Cross Ex debate principles of pulling through the arguments and examples proffered by Rocket in the overall debate. It won't save your life, but if you're hung up on brand names, your friends will be impressed with the $5,000 watch on your corpse. Rocket, Consumer Reports tests the vehicles themselves here. They say they suck. It's good enough for me. I'll take a Lexus, thanks. (Although for the first time a Korean manufacturer had some of the safest and most reliable cars.) | ||
| Rocketman |
A $200 dollar Snell approved helmet will protect as well as a $500 Shell approved helmet There's some truth in that but the reality is you're playing Russian Roulette unless you've done some serious homework on the helmet you choose. MCN UK have argued this topic very recently. Only three helmets out of many popular, from supermarket cheap to top of the range helmets, managed to get into the final stages of a specially set up test that MCN conducted under rigorous conditions with the UK governing body for helmet testing present. Many helmets didn't make it through the first stage. Out of those that got through to the second stage, like I said, only three made it to the final stage. The Arai Corsair was out in front by a mile. Rocket | ||
| Daves |
Oops, didn't realize we had two Rockets posting on this thread. I agree with Rocketman on the survey thing. That is disturbing I also agree with Rocketsprint on the wife killing you for being late. Not disturbing at all agreeing with you Rocco. I still love my watch Kandie. I'd rather have another bike in the garage than a 5000.00 watch. | ||
| Daves |
Can we see how the helmets did Rocketman? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
All helmets will fail if you make the test stringent enough. So the Arai Corsair made it as did one of the Simpson models. What model and which was the third? | ||
| Rocketman |
I don't recall Simpson being in the test and I forget what the other two were. I think one of them was the Shoei XR7000 or something, and maybe the other was the AGV Ti-Tech. I'll go search MCN's site. At this point I will offer this. Ft B, I've noticed over a recent period of time that you bear me some animosity. Could this be clouding your judgement I wonder? One more thing. A divers watch will save a divers life. One of those fancy Brietlings that talks to a satellite could save your life too. Especially if you were lost at sea or had your head stuck up your arse. Rocket | ||
| Yohinan |
Yohinan whats on a Buell made in China?? I was hoping someone would say this and sure enough it came up. Here is my reply. The is not a China made part that you are purchasing as an end item that goes through no QA. This is a part that Buell has contracted and is made in China. Now here is where the tricky part comes in (ok not really). Buell has their own QA I am sure. That is how we are assured that we are getting a quality made part. We have someone that is inspecting for Buell and we are not getting those parts directly from China and buying them in a store. My gripe with Chinese made parts is not that they cannot make a great part. My gripe is that they have no QA. You can buy two of the exact same parts that were made one right after the other. One is perfect and falls within spec and then next is garbage. Hence why I wont buy Chinese parts. You cant be sure your getting the good one or the bad one. I have a set of gloves by Icon that were made in, guess where. Yup, China. Ask how many on here have complaints about Icon's gear. I was the lucky one that got on of their parts that was within specs. Obviously I bought these gloves prior to my full on ban of Chinese parts. Hope my clarification clears things up for everyone. | ||
| Rocketman |
MCN helmet test is not on their site sadly. Rocket | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Rocket, You misunderstand me completely. I love a lively debate. You have strong opinions and are willing to back those opinions up with data to support it. I propose counter points and provide data to support MY position. This process allows both of us to test and either rethink our positions or strengthen our positions. I hold you in no ill will at all. I'm glad you're here. I truly admire folks with the stones to stand by what they say and back up their opinions with data to support it. Anyone can bloviate. It takes courage to take a stand and back it up. Dave and I have had this same conversation. I unfortunately have a confrontational personality. I can be funny as hell, but I can also rub people the wrong way. The internet doesn't help convey conversational undertones adding to the problem. If you tire of the debate, simply ask me to engage the wall and I'll move on! Cheers!  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
You aren't still sore about me calling you a "Limey" are you?  | ||
| Bads1 |
Dave I don't like it the way it sits but like I said it needs paint. On another note it different and thats what I like most. A merc is a Ford and yes I like them. A Lexus is a Toyota and then some motor and all. Fit and trim is better reliability is par none and I've owned a few Fords had a good experience. Have owned 4 Toyota's since 93 and all bought new. None have had a problem or a recall. Sorry Sean. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Mercs are Mercedes.  Mercurys are not luxury cars. | ||
| Yohinan |
Something about the whole China thing. I wonder out of the thousands of wheels Buell get's and whatever other parts they get (made in China)how many they dont use because of tolerance non compliance. | ||
| Daves |
Rocketman, They have watches that talk to satellites? WOW, bet those are expensive. Is it a way for the person wearing the watch to talk into it like a cell phone or more of a GPS type thing? I can see where a diver would want a good watch that would tell him to head to the surface before he runs out of air. Like Ft_B, I like a good debate and enjoy learning things from you Sean. We don't always agree of course,and you did call me an ignorant petrol head but I still like you  Even if you aren't as fast as me  | ||
| Swordsman |
We could argue helmet qualities from here 'till eternity. Heck, there's even a report by fancy science guys that states DOT-only approved helmets are better than Snell because the Snells have to be too hard to withstand the tests, thus transmitting more force to the brain. I think it was posted on Webbikeworld somewhere. That's why I say they're pretty much the same. Styrofoam and plastic and fiberglass and kevlar. It's like eating at Taco Bell... all the same ingredients, just packaged differently with a different name. Which one actually tastes the best??? If the scientists and the engineers can't agree on which ONE way is best, I don't see how we're supposed to prove it here. Wear whatever you can afford and makes you feel comfortable, but you shouldn't badmouth other people's choices.  ~SM | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I will never forgive Taco Bell for removing the Chilito from the menu. NEVER! | ||
| Daves |
It's the Tostadas I miss. They have them at the Taco Bell in Madison and Oshkosh but not in Waterloo or Appleton. Bastids! | ||
| Rocketman |
F*ck you lot and your helmets. I got mine. You lot can suck!  Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Simpson? You don't like Simpson? Here's a 1975 drag race Simpson from my collection.  How can anyone not like one of these???? Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Here's a well used early Bandit.  The red behind it belongs to an Arai RX7 Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Here's an 18 karat Breitling I sold recently. No it wasn't mine, honestly!  I could have sold it ten times despite the high price, and frankly, it was a nice time piece but man was it ever over the top. Those satellite Breitlings have a sealed canister in the chassis. Once activated you're either getting your life saved or you owe somebody a bloody good explanation, and a shed load of cash! Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Ignorant petrol head? I said that? Nah, not me mate  Rocket |
