| Author | Message | ||
     Col_klink |
Two things happened recently. Firstly, the 2007 Buell line-up was announced and, let's be honest, it was a minimal update. Secondly, there have been rumours here and elsewhere that there are big things happening in Buell R&D, and we should expect something big down the road. Here's my list of what I'd like to see in a major new roll out: 1. New flagship bike based on brand new (not V-Rod) 1200cc V-twin with liquid cooling and four-valve heads. Genuine road-legal bike. Becomes basis of new XBRR. 2. Current XBRR technology cascades to air-cooled range. 3. Chain drive option. There's a need - read this forum for proof! 4. More paint options. 5. More Buell performance accessories. Ducati has proved this is a major earner, so why not follow suit? Any other suggestions for Erik? Klink | ||
| Steve_mackay |
A *REAL* replacement for the S3T! | ||
| Skyguy |
To afford a new Buell in 2008........... | ||
| Coastie |
XB-S Larger fuel capacity Less weight overall Dual headlights HI/LO, both always on Less (lots) vibration | ||
| No_rice |
oh steve, just take the fairing off of yours and put it on a uly and you will be set, lol. or maybe toni would donate her city x to the cause!  | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Naah, Uly is too tall. An XB12SS with a ULY tail, firebolt fairing, and heli-bars. A bike like this could be built at the factory. Nothing more than a "parts bin" bike. | ||
| Diablobrian |
More fuel capacity (longer range) would be a good thing. Other than that, how about a 1000-1200cc water cooled v-twin to be sold alongside the air cooled models? A 6 speed (over-drive) transmission would be a good addition. ZTL2 brakes as standard equipment (and cheaper for retrofits) A replacement for the s3T to make Steve happy.  (Message edited by diablobrian on July 30, 2006) | ||
| Diablobrian |
Hey Steve, sounds like something I heard before somewhere  | ||
| No_rice |
a fully prepped xbrr motor sitting on my doorstep right along side an aerocharger turbo so that i can mount it all in the xb i already have. thats all i want, honestly, ok, ok maybe twin aerochargers. is that so hard for them to give me for all the stress testing ive done for them... lmao | ||
| Skyguy |
I am going to start this off early and see how long it lasts, New in 2008 Better headlights Promise of free lifetime belt replacement. 120hp. Updated intrument cluster on all models. More fuel capacity. ZTL 2 (to make DiabloBrian happy). Lighter stock muffler with jet coated headers. Better seat on XBR models. Six speed "overdrive" tranny Thats in my perfect Buell world anyway. (Message edited by skyguy on July 30, 2006) | ||
| Xb12rdude |
NO STUPID FAN..........That's all I wish for. | ||
| Buellfirebolt31 |
maybe an option of full fairings???like the sharkskinz or sebi-moto would be nice... | ||
| Microchop |
A lightning tail I don't have to saw off! | ||
| Diablobrian |
A quieter fan would be nice, if only to lessen complaints about it. | ||
| Mutation_racer |
fan shman the fan work just fine | ||
| Lenb |
New 1200cc short-stroke, big bore, ultra-light AIR-cooled engine (perhaps with magnesium engine and rocker covers as part of the weight reduction) that can rev to at least 8000rpm - with at least 10% more power. No need for the complexity and weight of water-cooling, DOHC, 4 valves, etc. I like simplicity. 6 speed CLOSE-RATIO gearbox. This is a SPORTBIKE guys, not a cruiser - we don't need an overdrive! Why add weight with no performance gain? Why ruin the XB's top-gear roll-on punch? If you want to 'cruise' - get a Harley! Reduce weight of the XB12 from a porky 179kg dry to lean and mean 165kg dry. Lower the centre of gravity - perhaps by relocating the muffler under the seat allowing lowering of the engine in the frame (sorry Erik, but the engine is WAY heavier than the muffler). Right-hand air scoop. Removable pillion seat on the Firebolt - one that can be replaced (not just covered) with a "hump" that doubles as a decent-sized lockable glove compartment. Finally, I like the suggestion of a full fairing option for the Firebolt. (Message edited by lenb on July 31, 2006) | ||
| Diablobrian |
I agree Anthony, I'm just tired of all the threads about the fans. | ||
| Anonymous |
Lenb, FYI, the freakin engine can't go any lower or it will drag on the ground around corners, particularly on the left side. Therefore the motor gets set as low as it can go without compromising lean angle (sportbike lean angle, not cruiser), and the muffler goes into the empty space underneath. C'mon, do you really think I'm that stupid? | ||
| Col_klink |
That you, Erik? Commenting on posts to date, I think there are power limits with air-cooling. Somewhere around 100hp for a twin. Above that the donk over-heats. I know BMW claim more for their R1200 series, but the R1200GS dyno runs I've seen are about 15hp short. R1200S might make it. But not even Erik could get an inline, narrow angle V-twin to stay cool like a boxer. And the R1200S is supposed to have a powerband ferchrissakes. What's that about? Magnesium side covers and general use of unobtainium would be nice, but would definitely get in the way of Skyguy's hope of buying a new XB in 2008 - they add cost. That's why I suggested the creation of a "go faster bits" section in the Buell catalogue. Those that want them can buy them, and eBay their std parts to owners of damaged bikes. Costs money to set up such an operation, I know. But it sure brings home the bacon. Klink (Message edited by col_klink on July 31, 2006) | ||
| Diablobrian |
It's not the first time I've seen a response that implied heavily it was Erik posting it. I have no doubt that Erik reads badweb. It would be kind of silly of him not to keep his finger on the pulse so to speak. | ||
| Lenb |
FYI, the freakin engine can't go any lower or it will drag on the ground around corners, particularly on the left side. Hmmm... I just went and had a look at my bike and yes, I have to agree that the engine may just be as low as it can be. I like it when I see proof of engineering input into a finished product rather than the marketing department. It is nice to think that Erik could actually be "Anonymous". More likely it is a moderator or site administrator - but never mind - good point anyway. | ||
| Lenb |
creation of a "go faster bits" section in the Buell catalogue. Good idea. Works for Ducati (and even Honda - with their HRC parts) But not even Erik could get an inline, narrow angle V-twin to stay cool like a boxer. Yes he could - by fitting a right hand scoop. (Message edited by lenb on July 31, 2006) | ||
| Xbhutch |
Hi Guys, this is my first post after regularly viewing this site for the four years I've owned my XB9 so here goes- Eric, what a truly great machine you built. Having made three 3000 mile trips around the French and Spanish Pyrenees, and covered nearly 17,000 miles, I can honestly say there isn't another bike I would have rather done it on and given the nature of this thread, I thought I would give my thoughts on what I would like to see with regards to a future Buell Sports Bike. I'm happy with the 9 engine, (I do have 86 RWHP after adding a few mods!), and although we can't get the XB 9R in the UK any more, I would still like the 9 engine but with another 1000 to 1500 revs. The 9 engine has more character and is certainly less 'vibey' than the 12. The rest of my 'Wish List' is pretty much an amalgam of those points other guys have mentioned: - Air Cooled - for simplicity and retention of the individuality Six speed gearbox - even ratios - it is a sports bike after all Better seat (I bought the custom seat!) Improved lighting Increased Fuel Capacity (at least another 3 ltr's over the current version) Slightly slimmer chassis at the seat area - the current design forces your legs apart into the breeze. AND 100RWHP (Must be achievable with more rev's?) That's it, nothing too high tech, just evolution. I had to have the XB as soon as I saw it at the motorcycle show in November 01 and the styling of the bike still draws attention where ever I go, so don't mess with it too much - please. Here's hoping XBHUTCH | ||
| 12r |
One of these with lights & a number plate:  | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I think we're all in for a surprise. But what do I know? | ||
| 147db |
Less fuel capacity for a BIGGER snorkel's hole! NO 4 valves, NO liquid cooling, NO chain drive, please! Bigger fan cooler, better cooling system. Twin front ZTL? Why not... or at least 8 pistons caliper on all models! ...and no more 1203 engines, 984 rulezzz  | ||
| José_quiñones |
1. An XBR, basically an XBRR with a regular 1203cc engine instead of the full race engine, mainly for CCS Thunderbike/MotoSt racers that don't need the XBRR. This one 'could' be street legal. 2. Buell performance accessories: Sorry, now that HD is out of the 'race use only' performance parts business don't expect Buell to go against that policy. Aftermarket only from now on. 3. Flagship/New Engine: Maybe this needs a whole new topic, it has been discussed before. My take is that the engine has to: 1. Be unique in the market, not like anything else anybody makes. 2. Have some historical connection to HD/Buells in the past. 3. Be able to built on existing HD tooling/assembly lines. Unless they sub it out, but corporate pride makes that unlikely. I have always thought that a modern four stroke square four built using 883 pistons with a shorter stroke (76 x 55 mm x 4) for 1000cc's would be a neat engine, unique in the market, with a connection to the past (the RW750 had a two stroke square four), and could be built in house if enough parts are shared with another bike in HD's lineup. (Message edited by José_quiñones on July 31, 2006) | ||
| José_quiñones |
here's an example of a square four, a 1954 Ariel  | ||
| Milar |
XB12RT. A BMW R1200RT style bike using the Uly platform. A fix for the fan. Burned my leg 2 weeks ago. M | ||
| 147db |
> The freakin engine can't go any lower or it will drag on the ground around corners, > particularly on the left side. Uhmmm...   |
