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     Big Gun |
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| Jb2 |
Good on the man who cut our flag down from a disgraceful position. I think it's time we take our country back from the illegals and the democrats and the special interest groups. | ||
| Rex |
and the democrats? hummm...I grew up in the midwest. the democrats were the hard working blue collar folks that worked for a decent living. the republicans were the white collar, I own the company people. once I got into the board room it was true. all republicans, all trying to screw the poor working man. cutting the wages, cutting the benefits, cutting the retirement and medical. I wouldn't say Democrats. we are a proud group of AMERICANS | ||
| Court |
Jim Bantz +1  The real estate and lifestyle we enjoy were not inherited or free. | ||
| Danny |
I'm a few years younger than you, Rex, but I would say more than half of my blue-collar friends growing up were Republican. I NEVER believed that one group was the party of the working man and the other was the party of the employers. I don't see any evidence that would change my opinion now, either. I've only seen a snippet of the news, but I've seen enough to know, that if it had been me, one way or another, those flags would have at the very least switched positions. Danny So fiscally conservative, I offend myself. socially? Eh. As long as I don't have to pay for it, do what you want. | ||
| Jb2 |
Rex, I embrace my Democrat brethren but the hard working, blue collar foundation of that party is poorly represented by the new liberal left. We would gladly welcome all of those people to our camp. We are born with the equal right to excel and become anything we want in this land of the free. However the liberal left would tell you that we should remain equal on every level. And, that they should be the re-distributors of wealth to pay for all those who want a free ride or come to this country for a handout and free health care. What happened to assimilation and majority rule? FREE MEN ARE NOT EQUAL EQUAL MEN ARE NOT FREE Like I say, it's time to take our country back. JB2 | ||
| Eeeeek |
Good for him for taking the flag back. Vik | ||
| Alanx1 |
I watched a show last night called "Out in the open". I think it was on CNN. The show was all about the life of a day laboror. I watched the whole show and wanted to vomit. This guy basically spent an hour referring to ILLEGAL ALIENS as immigrants. He interviewed a guy who can no longer make a living as a drywall subcontractor due to illegal competition. The host took great offense at the guys assertion that the illegals were "stealing" jobs and actually had the balls to ask the guy why he didn't become a general contractor and as he put it "have the immigrants work under you". The guy said he would never hire illegals and that companies who do should be penalized. Then, he interviewed a day laboror. The day laboror said that this country (The U.S.A.) was nothing but misery and sadness and that he just wanted to make a bunch of money and go back to his own country. So much for them wanting to become Americans and assimilate into our culture. But the best was when the labor secretary was interviewed and said we needed the immigrant labor (ILLEGAL ALIENS)to "level the playing field". This is code for "dilute the labor pool until nobody can make a living". It is time to vote out all of the incumbants until we get some people in Washington who really care about Americans more than they do about everybody else in the world. | ||
| Regkittrelle |
Jb... Could you be a bit more specific as to whom we are actually taking our country back from? And how are we to do this? Oh, and while you're at it, could you explain how they got it in the first place? And then there's that little issue of how we got it... oh, never mind, looking at the big picture, just really complicates the thinking process-- or starts it, I'm not sure which. | ||
| Jayvee |
My co-worker speaks English with a sort of 'Mexican' accent and somebody teased her about it. Turns out she is something like 8th generation native San Franciscan, from back when the Mexicans 'owned' this land (that they 'stole' from some indians, who probably 'stole' it from some other indians.) All those labels that are said as if they are epithets, like Liberal and Republican, say more about the person using the label than they do the labelee. You can hardly find any two people who agree on everything, even tree-huggers argue about which leather-substitute is best. I was baptized in a Baptist church, oops, Southern Baptist, my point being look how fractured, splintered, and argumentative people get about a religion that teaches love. Politics is the same. I knew a guy who was so conservative he wanted to go back to being a colony of England. Who founded America, convervatives or liberals? Right, neither, these labels had no meaning then. Why do they now? | ||
| Slaughter |
Ahhh... the good old days when the Anglicans were burning Baptists at the stake in good old England. Of course that was after the Anglicans broke with the Catholic Church (a/k/a "the papists" or "the church of Rome") because of their various refusals to grant certain royalty divorces and needing money out of the treasury... allegedly... And I agree, we should show NO RESPECT to our country or any symbols of it. Nor should we expect any respect by any foreign nationals. To expect respect is inherently racist and discriminatory. To demand respect is unspeakable. THE HORROR (OK, I'm quoting a Polish author) | ||
| Jb2 |
Reg, Actually I'd rather do it over a brew in some dim lit bar with close friends but I'll explain it this far in a public forum... We were once a nation of independent people(the majority was anyway) who believed in self-reliance and worked hard to better themselves. We've evolved into a a society that is borderlining on socialism. 'They', if you will, are gaining numbers. Every minority idea, belief, religion and creed now can exercise their will upon the majority and seek federal funding or entitlements to support and further their cause. I'm not sure where 'they' first gained control of the reins... my guess is it started with the Great Depression and government work programs and then came Johnson and "The Great Society" and now we have Hillary trying impose Social Healthcare and all-the-while no one stops the bleeding coming across the border. Tell me Reg, how much of my weekly earnings do you think I should pay out to support this great society while it slowly legislates away our freedoms and supports people who won't work? Isn't 38% enough? I wish I knew who 'they' were and how to get our nation back. I'm only one vote and I exercise that freedom to it's fullest. Truth is there are conservatives at fault too so it's hard to judge someone by their party but it's safe to say the left would gladly give up freedoms in exchange for entitlements more than conservatives. That my friend is fact. Make your vote count. JB2 (Message edited by jb2 on October 03, 2007) | ||
| Regkittrelle |
Dinna answer my question JB; Who are "they?" Just referencing "the left" is hardly an answer. | ||
| Alanx1 |
I think he is referring to special interest and socioethnocentric groups. | ||
| M2me |
The video struck me as sort of staged. But I'm skeptical by nature. The story at the end was more interesting. They rounded up a bunch of illegals working at McDonalds. Yippee! Our illegal immigration problem is solved! How will McDonalds replace those workers? They'll just hire a bunch more illegal immigrants! What do you think they're gonna do? Until employers face consequences for hiring illegal workers we will never solve the illegal immigration problem. | ||
| Jon |
Taking it back from illegal and others who demonstrate their disdain for America by flying another country's flag. I have no problem with immigrants who want to come and be Americans, speak our language, embrace our culture, use toilet paper, etc. But everybody else...go back where you came from. | ||
| Jon |
JB2, I like the cut of your jib. I want you to know that you are now eligable to become one of my trained servants. Send me a resume when you get a chance. ;) | ||
| Jb2 |
Reg, I said that it wasn't clear who they are... always. I believe it's anyone who'd trade their freedoms for a government handout. It's also anyone in a position of power who refuses to close our southern border. It's George Bush and the Patriot Act. It's Hillary and her Social Healthcare. We're quickly becoming a socialist-nanny state and if that isn't evident then there are many who are basking in the numbed glow of apathy. Surely you aren't one of them? Jon, Flattery will get you nowhere. JB2 (Message edited by jb2 on October 04, 2007) | ||
| Alanx1 |
M2me, In answer to your question of "How will McDonalds replace those workers?". It is simple. They will do what they did for the 40 years prior to the introduction of cheap illegal labor. They will hire highschool kids and elderly people who need to supplement their social security checks. A good example is a meat packing plant in Arkansas. ICE came in and rounded up almost all of their employees. They thought they were going to have to shut down the plant. They went into the surrounding neighborhoods and refilled ALL of the positions within a few days with AMERICANS. The Americans said that they never even considered applying there because word was out that the company only hired illegal aliens. The idea that these people "do the jobs that Americans will not do" is utter B.S. Americans will and always have done tough dirty jobs. You just have to pay them. I have no problem with that. | ||
| Snail |
Its the 'Green People' that are the heart of the problem. And while I try not be be a bigot, I hate Green People. Green People have become the 4th branch of our Government, and they are the most powerfull branch. 'They' are the Green People. Its that simple. | ||
| Regkittrelle |
Jb... How would I know if I'm one of "them" given the broad-brush swath of your frustration? I'm not at all happy with the way things are developing in this country... on many different fronts. One of the things that bothers me the most, however, is the lashing out at anyone who disagrees with one's position. And the scariest part of this is that it's too often wrapped in the flag.I understand that it's roots are in fear and social impotence, but ignorance and stupidity are also major elements. The illegal immigrants issue blips on most people's radar. And, yes, it bothers me too. I am in agreement with Jon's post. However, most discourse on the subject STOPS at that point; deport the illegal bastards and life will be good again! Right. The unfortunate truth is that we have become dependent upon cheap labor. This often translates into illegal, transient workers. We have created a dynamic in certain business sectors (agribiz being a huge one) that literally invites migration... legal and otherwise. Where's the fault here? The worker or the employer? Or is it the consumer who, on one hand riles against the illegals yet, at the same time, greedily buys the products of their labor. I tire of the fact that I often can't understand the McDonald's clerk, or the cab driver. Let's send those bastards back where they came from! Sure, but the problem is our overly-entitled, elitist population just won't do those jobs any longer. Quite frankly, the problem is not illegals or any other nebulous sector. The problem is that we, as individual, tax-paying citizens have lost the will, the drive, the dedication to succeed on our own merits. It is just so much easier now to bitch about what everyone else is doing/not doing. | ||
| Slaughter |
Norwegians... Damned Norwegians... | ||
| Davegess |
Quite frankly, the problem is not illegals or any other nebulous sector. The problem is that we, as individual, tax-paying citizens have lost the will, the drive, the dedication to succeed on our own merits. It is just so much easier now to bitch about what everyone else is doing/not doing. Right on there Mr. Reg. We don't want illegal farm workers but we do want cheap lettuce in January. We don't want illegal immigration but we allow almost no legal immigration. We don't want environmental regulations but we also don't want the guy dumping waste oil in our river. We don't want "energy indpendance" but we want to drive SUV's and build 4000 square foot homes 40 miles from where we work. We are American's and we do not want to recognize limits on anything we do. We get cranky when we can't do what we want, when we want to. We get even crankier when someone else does what they want, when they want and it bothers us. | ||
| Snail |
Three or four generations of welfare is hard to ignore. It (welfare) has become a way of life. For the record. I have never once recieved unemployment benefits, nor welfare. I have always been proud of that, and my ability to find work. What disturbs me about the Green People is their agenda to shut down resource suppliers through deep pocket litigation. After the Sour/Bisquit fire in SW Oregon 3 billion, (that's BILLION) dollars worth of prime douglas fir timber, Federal timber, (yours and mine) rotted and wasted beccause of the selfish and agenda oriented Green People, drawing on their incredible amount of accumulated wealth to sponser litigation. That is only one example. There's more. But fI doubt anyone wants to hear me rant. Green People suck. They try to color themselves with the name 'Enviromentalist', but they're not. They're economic terrorists, that have taken over our government. They 'manage' a resource by wasting it. Management by waste is wrong. I don't give a •••• how you justify it...wasting a prime resouce is WRONG!!! Dave, please don't include me in the we. I still pull on my boots and go to work everyday. | ||
| Jb2 |
Reg, Now you're speaking instead of questioning and your words sound more like mine. Yes I do cut a pretty broad swath of frustration. I don't just bitch however, I vote. It's a freedom I hold dear and is one of the only sources of change that we can take a part in. I do lash out at the left but mostly because the seeds of every entitlement program can trace their roots to that party. I watched my father change shoes from the Democratic party to the Republican party because he felt they no longer represented him. He was furious about paying for someone to sit home on their ass while he earned their keep(Johnson's Great Society). We helped put both of our kids through college, Purdue Engineering and Ball State. What they didn't 'earn' in scholarships they took loans for or we paid(about 50/50). We didn't apply for a single dime of grant money but both colleges were happy to tell us after filling out the entrance forms that we didn't qualify. That's okay. I'm proud to have raised two kids that are willing to stand on their own two feet and won't ask for a grant or handout. So I don't just bitch, I back up my beliefs with actions that I can stand behind. Snail, I'm figgering out why I like you so much. It's always good to associate with folks who have a backbone. BTW, I'm with you on them green fu<kers!  JB2 | ||
| Regkittrelle |
JB... Given that I don't know you, my comments were not directed at you... just to the situation at large. I doubt that we're much in disagreement; just a different view of the problem(s). Snail... The good news is that as you're built like a tree (green and mossy on the north side, and full of bark) you'll be able to count on the Greens to protect you when The Dept. of Useless Old ••••••• tidies up an ice floe for you. | ||
| Jb2 |
Reg, No harm, no foul. You're correct that we prolly would agree on most points. I always enjoy lively political banter especially after hearing news like Hillary wants to give every child born in America $5000.00 if she's elected president. ARRRRGH! JB2 | ||
| Reindog |
"We don't want illegal farm workers but we do want cheap lettuce in January". I believe workers should receive a fair wage as determined by the marketplace. Illegals do not fall in this category. As a Californian, this so called "cheap labor" actually costs me a LOT because of higher State taxes due to the State government handout of free health care, free education, and other free services to illegals. This amounts to billions of dollars a year paid for by California taxpayers. I am willing to pay a higher price for the "cheap lettuce in January" as long that cost is amortized by the rest of the country and there is also a concomitant lowering of my California State taxes. Labor needs to be performed by Americans or legal immigrants. Period. We are losing our country and will eventually split into two or more countries if the present trends continue. You wouldn't frickin believe what it is like in Southern California. This week, several school districts are sueing so that they can administer tests in Spanish rather than English. Adios amigos. | ||
| Alanx1 |
Davegess said "We don't want illegal immigration but we allow almost no legal immigration." We ONLY allow about 4 million people per year to LEGALLY immigrate to the U.S. We also have EIGHT guest worker programs in place for people who want to come here and work temporarily. The U.S.A. is the most welcoming nation on the face of the earth. Try moving to Australia and see how fast they kick you out.} | ||
| Benm2 |
There's probably nothing the Republicans need do at this point to win the election. Directly contributing to Hillary's or Obama's campaign would certainly help though. $5000 for every child? Is that real? Once again, I'm left without anyone to vote for. I really wish I could vote "no confidence, get us some real candidates". Somehow the Republican party has attached itself to those who believe what God Said To Them is what I should be forced to do. Those folks scare me, the whole concept of "freedom of religon" seems to have escaped them. However, they are fond of their firearms, another right guaranteed in the constitution. How you can be "pro-life" and "pro gun" is a bit difficult to understand, since every life is sacred of course. The bumper stickers say so anyway, but I don't hear the same "value every life" speech when discussing self defense. From what I remember, though, the right to bear arms was guaranteed to make sure that we (US, the people) had the option to point out to our government that sometimes freedom IS more valuble than life. The establishment of this country could be described as "an insurgency" were there BBC around in the 1700's... Fiscal conservatism seems to have evaporated into old territory, use power to get money for cronies. Cut a few taxes to keep the support up, but at what expense? Bridges fall down HERE as BILLIONS are spent there. Would there be this expense if Iraq had no oil? So who do I support? Pro-choice AND pro-gun? Fiscal conservative but against the war? Dunno. I've really got NO choice, as this two-party system ensures that no third candidate has a snowballs chance in hell. What if not voting counted as a vote? If less than half the country votes, the candidates must be replaced? Yeah, right. Environmental nazi's? I guess I can see Snail's point, and I'm sure there are others. BUT, my grandfather died from black lung from working his ass off in the coalmines. He's lucky to have lived long enough to die from that rather than the appalling work conditions INSIDE the mines. I had a cousin who lived in Bethlehem PA in the 70's. I always thought his family's clothes smelled funny, being a kid I just thought it was laundry soap. I worked for a year in a steel mill and learned better, they smelled like COKE. The smell was in every ounce of clothing they owned, their car smelled like it, everything. Have you ever seen a coke oven pushed out? They douse the red-hot coke with recycled mill water, and a huge cloud of noxious s**t rises up into the air... The Evil Greenies put a stop to that. Environmental laws aren't all bad. How about CUTTING our dependence on imported oil? Just shut it off. Diesel engines can run off of biodiesel, gasoline engines can run off of ethanol. How about running off the breadbasket in the middle of the country? Already there's been a shift in that direction, finish it off. It might have the side benefit of causing the collapse of many a dictatorship in the oil rich countries. Maybe then they could earn their place in polite society by selling something they MAKE rather than something the PUMP. Might help with the realization that always shooting each other doesn't allow for efficient factory production. |
