| Author | Message | ||
     Dannybuell |
Any news? | ||
| Rodrob |
It will be assembled at EBR from sourced components. | ||
| D_adams |
Just got the same answer about 30 minutes ago, it is built in-house. | ||
| Hughlysses |
You know, that's a pretty cool step up from previous Buells. Every engine they've used with the exception of the RW750 has been built by someone else- either Harley or Rotax. Building their own engines would seem to be a pretty major accomplishment. | ||
| Jgarner99 |
It's also cool in that it means they'll have complete control over the components: No more under-engineered stators or lowest-bidder clutch actuator pistons. Also, no more tearing down complete 1125 motors to re-make them into 1190s -- therefore cheaper (and better quality control, too). | ||
| Jgarner99 |
Without a doubt, this news signals that EBR bought all the rights to the motor. So, does that mean it won't be a "Rotax" anymore? | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
I'd love to see their QAQC process and systems.... anybody else? | ||
| Trojan |
it is built in-house Does this actually mean that it is manufactured in house from components, with no involvement from Rotax, or that it is substantially 're-built in house' from Rotax manufactured 1125 motors as has been the case so far? Not that it should matter in terms of quality, but 'built in house' can mean a multitude of different things  | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Trojan that question has been asked but no one has been able to definitely answer it as of yet. manufactured, assembled, built, kitted etc all are related terms but generally do not mean the same things to different people. as best as anyone can tell/speculate/guess EBR is buying cases jugs cranks gear-sets either from or through Rotax or possibly direct from the Rotax vendors. Rather than buying the 1125R/CR mill and modding it up to the 1190RS mill. That being said they are still buying off the shelf or slightly modded components from their choices of vendors i.e. CP Carillo, Del West, Suter etc. Where those brands do carry a lot of weight for quality and value they are far from perfect. | ||
| D_adams |
From the very short reply I got to my question of ”who's building the 1190 motor, you? Rotax?”, it was ”in house” so I would assume at least a couple of guys sit there building motors all day long in East Troy. | ||
| Reepicheep |
It is good, not so much in that they won't make mistakes, as this is really hard and everyone will get somethign wrong, but in that when there is a mistake they will be able to fix it really well and really fast. Instead of a months long process arguing with Harley, they can get 5 people in a room and fix it over the next week. | ||
| Anonymous |
Yes, manufactured in house from components, none from Rotax. Great company with an excellent relationship with EBR. However, the base motor was a unique motor for Rotax, and shared almost no componenets with anything they made. Although Rotax was deeply committed in the design and in assembly for Buell, there were only four parts actually machined at Rotax anyhow. | ||
| 46champ |
So does that mean somewhere in the future when you order parts from Harley-Davidson for your 1125R, Harley gets the parts from EBR. | ||
| Syonyk |
I think it means you just order parts straight from EBR. Harley is already into the "We'd rather not actually provide any parts, but we'll claim they're still available because we're legally obligated to" realm, as far as I can tell. | ||
| Brumbear |
I wonder if the 1125 power plant will be at least mostly compatable with part exchange so we don't get left in the chill to say. If Rotax doesn't have anything to do with it will parts still be available for our motor? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Well, for a while there they were turning 1125's into 1190's....so I'd bet there's quite a bit of compatability. But that's just a guess on my part. | ||
| Dannybuell |
when the time comes, imagine getting an 1125 to 1190 rebuild. | ||
| D_adams |
Converting to an 1190 displacement is an option now, it's just a little expensive to do it. Custom pistons, 3mm larger bore size, wrist pins, clips, gaskets and some time. Same for the race grind cams. $600 on an exchange isn't bad if you really want more midrange, ie; 7-10 ft/lbs and maybe the same on hp. Adding it all up, I can see breaking 165 hp for about $2500 in motor work (assuming you did the work yourself) and then add a 2" header exhaust. Figure $4k or so to get there. I'd probably do it if it were a drop in big bore kit rather than sourcing all the parts from different vendors. Lots of legwork to get everything you need. Still waiting on this, I know they were durability testing for a while. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=158664&post=2147518#POST2147518 I'm just a hair short of 140 on mine, it started out at 122 hp and the motor is still stock, so even with a "weak" starting point motor, hitting decent numbers isn't too far off if you want to spend a little bit of time and money on it. | ||
| 99buellx1 |
Rumor is that all the kit parts for an 1190 conversion is in the works. Timeframe unknown, $$ unknown. But it will make sourcing the stuff easy. | ||
| D_adams |
It's not a rumor, it is in the works (waiting on a part from a supplier) and has been since last year. I now have an idea on the timeframe (can't say what it is though) and a decent guess on the cost, it will not be super expensive, relatively speaking. I _think_ it will be similar compression to the 1125, so it should still run fine on regular 91+ octane fuel. One thing I don't know is, will it be with the cylinders and ready to drop in, or will it be without and you have to do some machining work. That will be part of the price point in my opinion. | ||
| Syonyk |
Either way, that's great news for 1125 longevity! "Damn. Wore out the motor. Time for an 1190 kit!" | ||
| 99buellx1 |
Well, yes, I know that it's not just a rumor, I was just leaving it as that until hard info was actually available..... |
