| Author | Message | ||
     Pyrogen |
I don't want to run the HD stuff, prestone 50/50 is what I was planning on for my 31k service | ||
| Daggar |
I think I'm running Prestone. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Distilled 75-80% standard. Green for remainder. Cap or two of water wetter. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
stock | ||
| Gasteward |
Just run the HD stuff and focus on things that are important - like Dino oil or synthetic in the case. | ||
| Samg |
I run Honda pre mix coolant.. It's blue in color | ||
| Cutty72 |
Engine Ice. | ||
| Tbowdre |
distilled + water wetter only | ||
| Nuts4mc |
a) the bike only holds 3 qts ( use the best you can afford) b) out here in the SWest it rarely gets below freezing for a long time (but many days 100+) c) Like Tbowdre, I use distilled water and Water Wetter (from Red Line Oil) d) heard good things of an Amsoil product that works with tap water (if you're at the track and distilled water is no where to be found....the Amsoil stuff works with tap water if need be (it specifically sez NOT to use Distilled H2O with the Amsoil product) http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rdcb.aspx (Message edited by nuts4mc on June 10, 2012) | ||
| 1125rcya |
Watter wetter! | ||
| Gofastalot99 |
Amsoil + distilled. | ||
| Kruizen |
water and water wetter, even in the winter. Never freezes in the garge. | ||
| Craigg |
Engine Ice Legal for the track and you don't have to mix it. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Prestone "all makes all models" 5-year 150k-mile stuff. I mix it to approximately 50/50, but have been using filtered tap water instead of distilled. (I used to use straight tap water before I knew any better and never had any obvious problems, so I figured filtered tap water might be okay. I'm probably wrong..) | ||
| Terrys1980 |
It must be distilled water as it does not boil. | ||
| Kruizen |
Distilled will still boil, won't conduct electricity as well without the impurities. | ||
| Hellraiser |
Another vote for Engine Ice...use it in my dirtbike too. | ||
| 1125rcya |
my bike must have had an air pocket, ever since I put in water wetter and distilled water my temp. hasn't gone over 180! | ||
| Jdugger |
> Engine Ice > Legal for the track and you don't have to mix it. There's been warnings posted here about Propylene glycol products, and not to use them in the Buell. I don't think we have ever heard a definitive reason why. As for the track, it varies. I think it is AMA legal, but many club organizations still ban it. | ||
| Terrys1980 |
Engine ice is way overpriced and doesn't work any better then plain ole Prestone. | ||
| Timebandit |
I hate it when I hear nebulous warnings like that. I always feel better when people give you the "why" that goes along with the "don't do it." I've got some hobbyist engineering experience in selecting pumps for use in high pressure / high flow systems. Knowing a little about that, I'm guessing that I might have a clue to the answer that we're not being given. What's the upside of PG? The "specific heat capacity" (aka: heat transfer efficiency) of PG is better than EG, which suggests at first glance that PG would be better than EG at moving heat out of the engine, but still not as good as water. PG provides better heat transfer efficiency than EG, AND PG provides some anti-freeze properties that you don't get with water. I think that's why people are interested in it. What's the downside? PG solutions have a higher viscosity, which makes them harder to pump. The higher viscosity increases the afterload (head, or resistance) that the pump has to work against, so system flow rate decreases. The higher viscosity results in displacement of the operating point on the pump curve (the pump characteristic curve that plots flow as a function of head) to the right. In other words, the pump has to pump a thicker coolant solution through the radiators. This results in less flow through the cooling system, a pump that has to work a lot harder, and shorter service life for the pump. The net result could be that even though PG has better heat-transfer capability, you don't gain anything in using it because the flow rate decreases enough to negate the gain that you were expecting. The answer could be as simple as that you get better heat transfer, but poorer flow through the cooling system with PG solutions. That's my best guess anyway. reference: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ethylene-propyle ne-glycol-d_904.html | ||
| Jeepinbueller |
So would running 90-95% distilled with 5-10% Prestone, plus a cap or two of Water Wetter be a good mixture to try out, or does the Amsoil product not get along with EG? Only because it DOES get below freezing in my garage, lol. (Message edited by jeepinbueller on June 14, 2012) | ||
| Timebandit |
To answer that question, you need to tell us how cold it gets in your garage, ie: what extreme of cold temperature you need to protect against. When choosing an antifreeze mixture, you choose the composition based upon how much freezing point depression you need in the fluid. Look at the mixing chart on the EG bottle. 1:9 doesn't offer much freeze protection. | ||
| Pyrogen |
Owner's manual says use HD stuff or an ethylene glycol mix. I read the Prestone 50/50 and its pre-mixed with Ethylene-glycol base and de-ionized water. HD is no better than stuff at autozone, it usually costs more and I have to go 15 miles farther to get it. Distilled water doesn't have the minerals that tap water has, therefore won't cause buildup inside the coolant system and lower coolant system efficiency. Tap water having the minerals in it acutally has a slightly higher boiling point than distilled water. According to a couple of (Dow chemical included) websites, prop-glycol is thicker(higher pumping loss) and lower boiling point and higher freezing point than ethe-glycol because EG has a higher heat transfer rate making it more efficient. As another note. Paying more for one product vs another doesn't necessarily mean you bought a better quality product. | ||
| Nillaice |
use something ethelyene glycol based. your water pump seal will thank you | ||
| Glide |
Distilled water with a product such as water wetter ( several companies make this type of product) transfer heat the best. Poly glycol is used since it can be used on a race track and left in the bike year round in freezing temps down to -25f. Ethylene glycol is slippery and hard to clean up if it is dumped on a track. | ||
| Nillaice |
i just read this. i must have skimmed over it last night. so, umm ... you were kidding .... ... .. . right? | ||
| Zac4mac |
There were several "anony" posts about the coolant being an EG base, 2008-2009. PG(Propylene not poly Glycol) was said to cause seal and bearing issues. I've had no issues with the HD stuff. I spend a lot more on oil, no big deal to me.... Z | ||
| Craigg |
So I've been reading about PG coolant and I have not found any proof any where that says its bad for Buells. Other then on this board where its because someone said so. Everything I've read says that PG is easier on the system and and safe for motorcycles water pumps and seals. Still looking for a reason to swap out my Engine Ice out of my Buell with 20K miles on it. | ||
| Coastrambler |
Been using HD coolant in my '09 1125R for 27,000+ miles and 49,000+ in my V-Rod for 7 years now with no complaints. That being said I live on California coast. We rarely see temps lower than 3C or higher than 30C. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Here's info some of you might find interesting.. http://www.1130cc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1400 50 H-D doesn't make chemicals, they just brand it and charge more than others. Still don't know why anyone would want to support those bozos... | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Bike seemed to be hotter than it should be. Checked coolant and it was a little low. Bought the basic on sale stuff for two reasons. Basic two ingredients is best and blue/green is easier to see in that view bubble. Engine ran a lot cooler which just goes to show how critical the coolant level is. | ||
| Dualbuells |
Not to hi-jack this thread, I'm looking at changing from "anti-freeze" to Engine Ice on my 09' CR. It seems a read a thread a while back but cannot find it now, about a easy way to "flush" the coolant system. Any suggestions on how to completely flush/rinse all anti-freeze out before I fill it with Engine Ice? Thanks in advance! |
