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     D_adams |
This is a direct quote. It's been sitting there in public for almost 20 hours now, but with NO comments about it. Yes, it's in an obscure section of badweb, only those weirdos that drag race go there.
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=158664&post=2147518#POST2147518 It's been in the works for a while now. No, I don't know the final pricing, but I know what the target is. I assume it will be on the website soon. Not trying to steal any thunder here, but this is pretty cool stuff to be able to finally post about it. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
good post | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
soon like the other bike models? or soon as in actually soon? before y'all bust my ass yes i know they're working hard and tirelessly i just like the rest of you out there am tired of waiting | ||
| D_adams |
I don't know the timeframe, but I'd guess before the end of the year possibly. I think it's getting some more stress and reliability testing before it's turned loose. I've been volunteering to do road testing for some time now.  It's probably worth a decent boost in hp for an otherwise bone stock 1125. I want to know how it runs with the 1125 headers and then what it would do with something I make. I can see hitting 155-160 at the wheel possibly, just depends on the actual limit for flow on the stock headers. This might actually push me to build a full system. Hmmmm, 165-170 hp at the wheel.... nah, can't happen. | ||
| Finedaddy1 |
Oh this is such good stuff, I'm loving it!! | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
I am sure it would be a nice power builder. how could it not be it's more displacement. fairly small 65cc ~4cu.in. increase but still gotta be worth something. 155-160 from what the average 125-130 at the wheel in totally stock trim? i can't see another 30hp from 4 cu.in. with no other changes. that'd be ~460hp/L unless you're talking about something else that i missed and if so please do inform. i just started tracking mine and don't need any more powah yet but will soon | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
to clarify my math. the last 4cu.in. = 30hp thus the 460hp/L part | ||
| D_adams |
If a stock 1125 makes 125-130 hp and then add an ecm with one of my pipes and makes a possible 143 like they did at EBR, adding 10-15+ hp from the 3mm bore job gets close to 155 hp or more at the wheel. Maybe I'm guessing high, but I can see it making an extra 10-15 ponies pretty easy. | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
I wonder if an 1125 has enough radiator to keep a big bore cool | ||
| 46champ |
It's drag racing it probably has too much radiator after the big bore kit. Does anyone have an idea what one of these bikes would run with a wheelie bar and a slick after the engine work. | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds, thats for sure...dean i would just like to say that you suck for knowing whats going on in the EBR camp...at least you dont taunt us like court does  HAHAHA Jake | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
gotcha Dean i figured that's what you were driving at but wanted to be waterford clear. i wouldn't count on the stock cooling system being up to the task on a warm to hot day. Sunday the temps never got over 85 and i was running 205+ coolant temps per the cluster. that's with a 75% water 12.5 water wetter and 12.5% green coolant by my estimation only no actual measurements taken(that'll change in about 6wks when i pull her down for valve adjustment) | ||
| D_adams |
Again, this is just me guessing here, but I'm thinking the stock radiator will handle the displacement and hp bump. Personally, I think it's good up to maybe 170 hp before you really have to do a lot of changes to the cooling system, but that's just me. If you really want to know for sure, you'd have to ask an engineer what the actual capacity is on them. My bike typically doesn't overheat, temps in the summer hit 100+ several times and the coolant temps I observed were usually 190-200 degrees. Still has the original coolant in it, it's probably due for a serious flushing though. If I get lucky enough to get my hands on one of these kits, I'll be doing it with the stock cooling system. Jake -- I could tell you more, but they'd kill me for sure. I keep hearing helicopters at night and the occasional blacked out Suburban rolls by the house pretty slowly as well. I didn't actually sign anything, but I did promise to not say anything about this until someone there spilled the beans. I guess I found out about it back in February-March maybe, might have been April. They've got a LOT of neat stuff up their sleeves that I don't know about. I can guess as well as the next guy though.  | ||
| Finedaddy1 |
How about these new bikes? I just want to know about a time frame (ballpark) on when we can see just a glimpse of something, or some kind of information i.e. do they have any prototypes, how's the testing going, what's up with the dealer network.......? Oh to be a fly on the wall at EBR. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Wrong board, I know, but when 9s bikes get cheap it would be fun to turbo an old one (using the snorkel through the frame). A fun project if I'm ever part of the idle rich class... | ||
| Blake |
>>> i wouldn't count on the stock cooling system being up to the task on a warm to hot day. Sunday the temps never got over 85 and i was running 205+ coolant temps per the cluster. I'd be interested in hearing your rationale for that. Is it just that you imagine that 205oF is excessive for engine coolant? Consider that plain water at standard atmospheric pressure won't even begin to boil at 205oF. Engine coolant under twice atmospheric pressure is good for well over 230oF. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
because i wasn't even close to 100% on it at the track on a low humidity warm day and it was only 25deg from skip spark temps. with a stock everything. so my rational is adding more power to a system that has very little headroom already doesn't seem like a good plan. i've seen cruising @80mph on not even the hottest days here in florida the coolant temps hit 222-5deg with the factory coolant fill. after that i went to blended water wetter water coolant mix. now that i am actually starting to track the bike and will be pushing the envelope as hard as i can as much as i would like the additional power until i see it working reliably i can't see to shell out my cash. granted i am 'new' by comparison to many here so i know the surface stuff from the back story and am not privvy to the current stuff "remind me to write a book..." even with the restraints placed on Erik he did come up with a fine product that i am proud to own and more proud still to have placed 25k mostly trouble free miles on, left me walking once... at any rate i digress point is that the big piston kit without a cooling upgrade i can't see as being a safe upgrade for someone like me or Jdugger or even dean who is going to push this bike to the limits. i also don't like that my jeep runs 220 and is considered normal. yes i know the science but i just don't like it. edit to remove uneeded aggravated remark. sorry. (Message edited by boogiman1981 on November 16, 2011) | ||
| Jdugger |
Mine runs a little hot racing... it will go into skip spark on 100+ degree days in as little time as it takes to stop for a race start, unfortunately. I have a DSB-Spec motor putting out a bit over 150 HP at the rear wheel. This is with the Flexi-glass kit that really does keep operating temps a good bit cooler than OEM because so much more air is being pushed through the system. | ||
| Nuts4mc |
basic info ...not bad..infernal combustion engine cooling system design... http://www.arrowheadradiator.com/14_rules_for_impr oving_engine_cooling_system_capability_in_high-per formance_automobiles.htm back in my two stroke days the rate of flow was as important as radiator area...if I remember correctly too fast a flow was NOT optimal... I think it would be easier(and better for most of us) to just go on a diet! | ||
| Blake |
Except JD, you don't have the fans running, so heating up at a stop is a given, yes? | ||
| Jdugger |
Yea, but the bike is already at 210 when I pull up to the line, so in just a few seconds it's into skip spark. Fans would only have helped nominally, I think. I had the same issue with a completely stock bike one day we were doing practice starts. It sucks, because I try to do the warm-up lap in a higher gear so I don't heat the motor up so much. I had to throw away my starts one whole weekend because of it  | ||
| Nm5150 |
I am not getting it.With water wetter and water in my bike it ran cooler on the track than it does on the road.Peggy didn't hit the fans until I slowed down and pulled through the pit to the paddock. | ||
| Jdugger |
Give her to me. | ||
| Blake |
Ya figure the fans might turn on before the temp got to 210 and before you stopped for gridding?  | ||
| Jdugger |
At anything above 20 mph or so, the fans actually get in the way... | ||
| Blake |
Not so much. | ||
| Jdugger |
I've had the same overheating problem (actually worse) with a fully OEM set-up as I do with the flexi-glass. Seriously. This last summer made me want bigger rads. | ||
| Sprintst |
Can't be true, we all know the 1190 is totally different than the 1125. | ||
| Jdugger |
I don't really think it's all that unusual for a street bike to have cooling issues in racing applications. The RC51 had a whole front-radiator race kit, for example. I believe the 1125RR also had a significantly different cooling system than the 1125r. Those bikes don't have fans, either... anyone remember the teaser videos of the 1190 when a big deal was made of "what are fans doing on a race bike?!?!" OEM/production stuff is always a compromise of "good enough" and cost or there wouldn't be race parts. I think when the race radiator kit came out for the 1125RR, someone here priced it and it was almost half the MSRP of an 1125r! If you go racing an 1125r in Texas, you are going to have some cooling issues with the bike. Period. You can make it slightly better with water and water wetter. You can make it another titch better by removing the fan shrouds in the pods so you get more air through there at speed. You can make it a fair bit better with the Flexi-Glass set up. But, when it's 105 ambient and you are running around at WOT 50+% of the time, it turns out the bike gets and stays hot. That's not unusual among motorcycles in general... This last summer I saw plenty of bikes overheating and puking coolant, not just my Buell. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Yes all good points Jim. same here in florida ambients in the summer well over 95deg with 80%+RH = cooling issues when in road racing conditions. like i mentioned i was eating the headroom up on a day that was only 78-80deg with maybe 70%RH. so as much as i want more powah before i add any the stock cooling system will need to be addressed for me to be comfortable in the knowledge the big isn't going to cook itself to death. |
