| Author | Message | ||
     Joseb |
Is anyone having issues with getting their CR (or R) started? I did a (admittedly rather quick) search yesterday for this issue, and saw a couple of tips, including turning the ignition on and off a couple of times to prime the fuel system and opening the throttle to about 20% before hitting the starter. I tried these things last night and again this morning, but no luck. It seems like I have to hold the starter for 10 seconds before the engine fires up. Sometimes I have to press the starter a couple of times (a few seconds each time) for it to go. During this time I'll sometimes see the "System Voltage" warning on the IC. Dealer just replaced the stator last Tuesday, but that didn't help at all with the issue. This happens just about every time I fire up the bike, cold-start or warm-start. I've been paying special attention to the voltage screen since the new stator, and I haven't noticed it go past 13.8V during my rides, could this have something to do with it? Any ideas? Thanks! - JoseB | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
cali kit? is this a sudden change? mileage? have you replaced the spark plugs? if the cali kit and your area is stil having heat it was discussed that a vapor build up can be problematic causing a change in the way the bike starts. open the throttle and hold it all the way open on key on to run the plug cleaning routine think it takes like 4secs for the plugs to be rapid fired cleaning them... | ||
| Joseb |
No Cali kit that I'm aware of, I purchased the bike used in August from a Harley dealer with 5,100 miles, it now has around 6,200 miles, I started to notice it about a day or so after I took it home. It's been in the shop twice since then (once to replace rear turn signals, once for the stator) and the dealer hasn't said anything about it. I'm sure it happens there as well, but I didn't ask either (I should have). I personally have not replaced the spark plugs, not sure if the previous owner or shop did so. I'll try the plug cleaning routine before I head home from work tonight. Thanks for that tip! | ||
| Dannybuell |
Sensors may be an issue or it could be technique. Something I have done for years with vehicles; After the engine light goes off and always closed throttle, just tap the starter. This places a charge of gas into the cylinders. Wait a moment or two and tap the starter again. The 2 tap method works 99.9% of the time for me. Over the years I have purchased many alternators but never starters. (Message edited by dannybuell on September 20, 2010) | ||
| Jules |
Those tips you found - they're not good ones in my opinion.. That'll flood the bike pretty quickly. I had issues when I had an older flash, get the dealer to check which version you have. Try the flood/fouled plug clearance procedure and see if that helps at all. Don't open the throttle at all when trying to start the bike, it's really not keen on that. Don't be surprised if it backfires when you do the plug clearing process - that's just unburnt fuel clearing.. Also check the TP values on the IC or just do a TPS reset. | ||
| Joseb |
Thanks Danny and Jules! The dealer confirmed that it's on the latest flash as of last Tuesday, and the TPS was reset at the same time. I'll try the plug clearing and the double-tap tonight and see if that helps. | ||
| Joseb |
Well I tried the ideas above last night... I ran the plug clearing procedure three times (per service manual), then I tried the double-tap of the starter and the bike fired up almost instantly after sitting for 11 hours. I then rode for about 3-4 miles at roughly 50 MPH to a gas station. Filled up and then tried the double-tap again, this time it didn't fire right up. I had to hold the starter for a few seconds before it fired. I didn't ride today, but I'll try the double-tap method again next time I do. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Cool! :-) | ||
| Drawkward |
Being a practically brand new bike, there shouldn't need to be ANY "technique" to starting the damn thing. I'd take it back to the dealer, show them what it's doing and have them fix it. | ||
| Joseb |
Well, it seems like it's going into the dealer again, this time to look at the starting issue. It literally takes forever to get this thing started and I get worried that it won't start half the time. I've done the TPS reset and it's reading 2.0 with the ignition on, is that acceptable? I thought I read on here that it should be around 2.7 | ||
| Skntpig |
2.0 is good | ||
| Joseb |
I'm going to shoot a video of it soon so you guys can see just how crazy this is. It seriously sounds awful if I happen to be near other people. | ||
| Joseb |
Here is a quick video I shot today. Cold start, I had already been trying to start it for about 20 seconds before I remembered to shoot the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWoOLUOpSjM&feature =youtube_gdata_player | ||
| Budgolf |
It's barely turning over. Not much juice in your battery dude. It ought to take more than 20 second of cranking to draw that battery down like that. Not that you could crank for 20 seconds straight. | ||
| Joseb |
Hmm... That's something one of the techs said today when I showed him the video. But after I told him that it's been hooked up to a battery tender for the last week, he took it back. It's been on the tender (jr model) and the light on the unit has been flashing green the whole time. Think it's time for a new battery? | ||
| Steeleagle |
Re; Video: That definitely is not right. Your battery is either toast, your starter is toast, or your engine is REAL tight! Mine spins like a top and I never have to double-tap anything or touch the throttle. Easiest to do is have the battery tested for charge. It may show 12VDC unloaded but not have enough hair left to spin things for you once you load it up in start mode. | ||
| Dannybuell |
just listened to it. the battery was my first thought, it sounded weak. | ||
| Usanigel |
My 2000 Triumph sounded the same with a duff battery and very worn starter. Back to the dealer! | ||
| Budgolf |
Battery tenders are great Bro, but I wouldn't trust that green light on it. Get that battery checked. | ||
| Joseb |
Well, I just got back from McHenry Harley's Octoberfest, while I was there I asked the tech if he could check the battery, it tested OK. I also showed him the video and he said there's definitely something wrong, but couldn't tell just from the video. He mentioned that it could be the starter, but wasn't positive. He said he's going to make some calls to 'tech center' on Tuesday and run it by them to see if they have any ideas. Otherwise it'll be going in to get torn down. | ||
| Zac4mac |
If the battery tests OK, look to the starter. It is pulling more current than the battery can supply it. In the video, it looks like SYSTEM VOLTAGE pops up briefly each time the motor struggles to start. Zack | ||
| Trbulnt |
Sounds really like the starter is not engaging properly and drawing too much voltage. Hope you get it resolved quickly. | ||
| Pmjolly |
Wow. That sounds bad. It almost sounds like the starter is not engaging completely, like the starter gear clashing. |
