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Tcsnafu
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i have an 09 1125r. came with pirelli diablo corsa 3 tires. back tire started feeling real loose about 1600 miles. i ride 2-up with my wife and i together about 320 lbs. we ride a bit fast in corners, 40-90mph i would say fairly leaned over for 2-up. i noticed at 2480 miles my tire is showing metal cords halfway between the center and sidewall on the left side. we live on the central coast of california. temp here rarely over 80 degrees and usually in the 60's. are people really wearing tires out that fast? been riding sportbikes for many years and much heavier ones. 15-20 years ago tires lasted longer and stuck just as good, especially metzlers. contacted pirelli and was suprised how poor their customer service was. accusing me of underinflation, track riding, and such. not one word of we understand if you are unhappy, anything we can do to make you happy. never ridin it on a track and check the pressure (40-42psi)before every ride which is usually once per week. was real happy with the tires up to the time the rear started feeling loose, guess it was just worn out. front is fine and not pitting like the back did between the center and sidewall. definately using a different brand tire in the future. good luck to anyone needing customer service from pirelli.
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

well i've got just over 4k on the orig rear and it's runnin low on tread but not bald or cording yet. this is my first sport bike though so i doubt im riding nearly as aggressively as most here do.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tire life will depend on many factors, too many to list here. I got 7000 miles on my first set with wearing out the front first.

The Corsa III's are a very soft supersport tire, so they won't last as long as most other rubbers.
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Painless
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sticky tires wont last as long..

These tires never let me down. literally.
Im on my 5th rear and 3rd front..on 2 bikes.

Very popular on and off the track.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so what did you expect from Pirelli? A new set of tires?
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D_adams
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bridgestone BT-016's, excellent tire life, also pretty sticky, enough so to do a trackday on them and not have any problems. Average so far is 6-7k out of a rear tire, more on the front.
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Painless
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tire & Wheel package

I make sure they pay up!
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Crazyhawk99
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 04:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"i ride 2-up with my wife and i together about 320 lbs. we ride a bit fast in corners, 40-90mph i would say fairly leaned over for 2-up...15-20 years ago tires lasted longer and stuck just as good..."

Tire pressure is critical, particularly when the bike is heavily loaded and/or ridden hard. If the tires are even a few psi down, heat will build in the tire more rapidly than normal and significantly increase tread wear.

As for tires being better 15-20 years ago, I couldn't disagree more strongly. Modern sport tires today that come OEM are better than the tires that racers used 15-20 years ago.

The OEM tires are pure sport tires, not sport touring tires. Sounds like you would be well off to buy a set of sport touring tires. All manufacturers make good ones, some better than others, but all of them will likely outlast and out stick whatever you were riding on 15 year ago.

Just my 2 cents.
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Smoke
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 05:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

diablo stradas!
tim
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Wkd14u2
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

good luck, my pirelli diablo corsa 3 rear was shot at 1000 miles, granted that had a track day on it... face it soft tyres wear FAST..

Wkd1
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Xbud
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

good luck, my pirelli diablo corsa 3 rear was shot at 1000 miles, granted that had a track day on it... face it soft tyres wear FAST..

+1 - I seen the same result, switched to a sport touring rear tire, Angel ST and I am only going to get 2600 miles out of it as well. I think the 80 ft pounds of torque and the ham fist is whats killing these tires. The front tires are doing well, the original Corsa III is going to have 4K miles before it needs changed.}
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Kidder
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd recommend going with the Michelin Pilot Road 2. It's a dual compound sport-touring tire. I have it on the rear of my 1125. I'm pleased with its performance.

I'm not sure what you were trying to get from Pirelli. Like others said, it's a high performance tire. I only got 1500 out of my rear tire before I got a puncture. It probably only had another 1000 miles to go. I wouldn't buy them again. I'd go with a Pilot Power if I were looking for a high performance tire. I consistently got 4k miles out of a rear on my GSXR1000.

(Message edited by kidder on July 14, 2010)
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Tcsnafu
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks for the info all. like i said i checked the pressure before every ride 40-42 psi. no track days, and i didn't expect a new tire. just was wondering if anyone else experienced such a strange wear pattern halfway between the center of the tire and sidewall. will try to load pics later.
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Jules
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's probably exactly the angle you're at when gunning it out of the curves.. My tire is shot at 1400 miles and I'm OK with that, I rarely got more that 1250 out of the rear on my TLS so 1400 is about what I expected.

If you see cord or metal then you left it too late when thinking about replacing it.

Twins are exceptionally "hard" on tires - partly because of the power delivery and partly because it's fun to fire them out of corners harder than a IL4
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Jdugger
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> like i said i checked the pressure before every ride 40-42 psi

This is WAY too much air.

Buell recommends 34 Front and 36 Rear. Depending on the tire, you might run considerably lower.
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Homer007
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2400 miles? lol, here's my tires after a 100 mile ride in the country. I'll be happy if my tires last 1000 miles..

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Tcsnafu
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i guess i shouldn't complain about the corsa 3's then that is just what they get. i just ride slower now and on a lot lighter bike so i expected more. my last 2 bikes were kawasaki's, a zx11 and zrx12 so i am used to bikes with quite a bit of torque and just never wore tires out that fast even 15 or 20 years ago. just suprised i guess. that pic is what mine started looking like, but then developed pits after about 1500, so i guess that is when you know it is about done.
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Randy_bowers
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just ordered a set of Z6s, the stock tyres are about ready at 4k. My ST1300 is running Road-smarts, and they hook up good and last longer.
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Fast1075
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SHREDDED!!!
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Thefleshrocket
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just mounted a 2ct in the rear last night. The stocker was shot with 2400 miles on it. It is definitely a combination of the engine's torque and difficulty getting the revs matched exactly right on every downshift (the engine seems inconsistent as to how many revs will build as a result of a throttle blip) that killed the corsa iii so quickly. I guess I'll plan on going through at least two rears to every front.
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1_mike
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 03:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jdugger -

40psi ISN'T too much pressure...!
It depends on MANY things as to what pressure to use.
In my 25 or so years of daily driving on sport bikes...reread the above sentance...many things go into the desired pressure.
Including the road traveled. Commuting vs. playing in the canyons...yea...different pressure required.

Mike
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

like i said i checked the pressure before every ride 40-42 psi

This is WAY too much air.

Buell recommends 34 Front and 36 Rear. Depending on the tire, you might run considerably lower.

This brings up a good question: The manual states to check the tires cold - this is the first time I've heard of that - is that correct - I've always heard to check the tires when the tires are warmed up, and that is the air pressure my tires where at warmed up. So they would be 2 to 3 lbs higher? So - cold or warmed up - which is it?
EZ
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Jdugger
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 06:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> I've always heard to check the tires when the tires are warmed up, and that is the air pressure my tires where at warmed up.
> So they would be 2 to 3 lbs higher? So - cold or warmed up - which is it?

Both are correct, it depends on application.

In track and racing applications, hot pressures are almost always used. And, most racers, even at a novice level, will see 5-6 lbs of increase in pressure between cold and hot, not 2-3. 1-3 lbs difference is common between hot-off-warmers and hot-off-track, actually.

In street applications, primarily for practicality, cold pressures are generally specified. Check the pressure before the ride, and anticipate some increase -- probably more like the 2-3lbs you cited -- and go on.

Most street tires offer a pretty wide range of temps they work well at, so specific pressures and temperatures are not critical like they are with race rubber.
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been checking my tires, after about 1/2 of riding - warmed up - I'll redo and set them up cold, and check them. Then see what they do tomorrow - I'm interested in seeing how much the tire pressure goes warmed up.
EZ
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Jdugger
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> I'm interested in seeing how much the tire pressure goes warmed up.

Much of the delta depends on how you ride.

But, checking pressures in a cool garage and riding in the hot summer sun will have some effect, too.
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Tcsnafu
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

here are the pics, check out the little pits halfway between the sidewall and center.
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Tcsnafu
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



a closer look
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Eddiep
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

mine look the same at 2500miles. Just ordered the new Diablo Rosso Corsa. This is the replacement to the Corsa 3's. I liked the performance of the 3's. Most of my riding is at a good pace on the street, Sunday morning sport rides. The bike runs great and the tires have a very neutral turn in that I like. Looks like 2 rears for every front.
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the corsa III's feel really squirmy when aired down to 34 and 36psi as suggested and much much better at the 40-42 range. guess im just that fat
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Tcsnafu
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

it is a real light bike and with a under 160 lbs. rider i am sure mid 30's on the air pressure is fine, but with 2-up and gear we are close to 350 lbs. so under 40 makes the tires even hotter cup more and flex more. would be more comfortable with less pressure in a strait line though.
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