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Ridenusa4l
Posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

im with fresno....how are you supposed to use the quick shifter and everything???

Jake
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 07:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would think it would be the same as the AMA racebikes, but I have never seen anything as far as a quick shifter mechanism being offered by Buell Racing or EBR.
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Justa4banger
Posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you would need something like this

http://www.translogicuk.com/quickshifters.htm

i just did a quick google search.. i imagine all you really need is the "switch" for the shifter and then wire it into the ecm

oh and of course a gp shifter ; )
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Jdugger
Posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 08:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I asked EBR about it and they said to go get the dynojet pull-type one and wire it up. Email and they will send you the pinout.
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 06:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Isn't that non-issue on dry sump motors?

Fire up your bike and lay it on it's side for a while and let us know how that works out.

Unless medically need, running a quickshifter on the street would be a total waste of time and money.
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Duggram
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 07:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've read on other forums that electro shifters are good for about 1/10th a lap at best. But supposedly the real advantage of it is with trans durability. When you shift, the motor is killed for a fraction of a second which reduces some of the abuse on the trans and it's easier to get the job done. I may eventually have one for my track bike just because of the durability factor. I do agree, I don't see a reason for it on the street.
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Freight_dog
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's just about having a trick bike. The same reason guys do any other mod. An aftermarket exhaust, lightweight wheels, adjustable rearsets, carbon fiber trinkets...all a waste of time and money on the street. But they ARE pretty cool.
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White79bu
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Couldn't you run a quickshifter on the street and just use the clutch like normal? And then use the quickshifter for track days.
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 08:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I managed to log another 100 miles today and my initial impressions that the calibration is spot on for my set up seems to be correct. It was nasty out there. Cold and wet and with a worn out back tire I needed maximum finesse when accelerating and the EBR Race ECM delivered. Because of the scant traction available I road one gear higher than usual and the engine handled the lower RPM load fine.

I have to say I am completely satisfied. The bike is much more satisfying to ride now. I did a short WOT run in 4th and hit 131mph before I realized it. Yet the bike feels much more mellow chugging around at 4500rpm. I found myself using less throttle and just enjoying the fatter sound.

If you are on the fence let me tip you over: it's what the bike needs...it's like the missing part of the puzzle.
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Dtx
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mountain,

Thank you for your contributions and comments. Much appreciated. I ordered one too.
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Xb1200rick
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mountainstorm, sounds great . I am running the HMF with K&N also . I should be able to order the ECM by Friday. Anything else I need to know before ordering?
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Two_buells
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mountainstorm,
thanks for the great report. Its kind of makes me feel like when my 1999 Thunderbolt was new and it was Buells first bikes with FI and all of us 99 owners couldn't wait for the "Race ECM"

There is nothing like buying parts that are engineered for your bike by the manufacturer, nothing beats it!
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Justa4banger
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well my race ECM and my HMF pipe/K&N combo deal are schedule to be at my house on the 9th.. My concern.. i ordered my Race ECM the day before they release the pump gas ECM .. the pump gas ecm has a new PN. the PN i order is now the RACE GAS only ECM...

I wrote an email the last 2 days to Orders@EBR.com and got no reply. i just got the email tonight that the ECM shipping info has been submitted but the ecm has not been dropped off.

SO tonight i wrote an email to the other email EBR has explaining again my uses and the concern of the possible mix up... my first 2 emails explained my uses and what i had.. basically what you have mountainstorm... i HOPE there is not a mix up...

IF there isn't any issues i should have baseline dynos on monday and wed have modded Dyno information.. i guess its time to see what this puppy can do..

IF some chance i do get the actual race gas tune, then i guess i'll just have to pony up the cash for some race gas and dyno it anyways : D i can get 100 octane unleaded at a few of the gas stations around vegas..

Heck if it goes bad it still won't be bad, i'll get Race gas, pump gas dynos and baseline lol
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 01:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone have any info from EBR on how the pump gas race ECM will work with the stock muffler?
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Chiefiron
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 02:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1344.....Thats my order number for my new EBR 1125 ECM (for pump gas) I was just going to ride it with the jardine and K&N but cant do it in good conscience since reading the posts here. Hope i can get them to Dyno before and after for me. Im not there to oversee but $ speaks in most cases such as this. and any way im having 1k worth of parts besides this installed so that should be easy.
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 06:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My pleasure guys. I know I've gotten a lot from this site over the past decade and I'm glad to put back in anyway I can.

Regarding "anything I should know" before ordering. Be explicit with EBR when ordering. Tell them how you have the bike modified and what you intend to do and they will handle the rest.

Kind of sounds like I got in on the first wave of Pump Gas calibrated ECMs. I did not even know what EBR could do for me and was pleasantly surprised.

And don't forget to disconnect the Bank Angle Sensor!
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Ponti1
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 07:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fresno, I thought I had posted this already, but can't find it on here anywhere. I have been thinking about the ECM with my stock pipe, so I sent EBR an e-mail. Below is the response...Do note that my e-mail subject was about the "race gas ECM" part number, since there was no "pump gas ECM" on their website at the time. ECM part number for pump gas is actually Y0152.10AZ.



From: Info at Erik Buell Racing
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:42 PM
RE: 1125 Model Plug-N-Play ECM Y0152.08AZ

We can provide an ECM programmed for your stock exhaust that will give you a slight improvement on the track. It will not cause any damage to swap back and forth between the stock ECM for the street and the race one on the track. The stock exhaust is actually not all that restrictive, however a slip-on muffler without all the sound baffling and double wall shell for noise will save weight and add a bit more power. Something like the drummer or the FMF slip-on for example. You would need the ECM programmed differently between these two situations, but we can re-flash your ECM for $25 if you decide later to buy a slip-on exhaust.

Customer Support
Erik Buell Racing
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Chevycummins
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 07:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ordered mine on Monday, then Tuesday I discovered the pump gas one had been added. Sent 2 emails with info on what mods and application the bike will be used and still waiting for a response. Only got the original order conformation back. Hope I get the correct one. Seems like they would have some questions to fill out about the bike and use of it when ordering.

I would also like to know if it would be better to run the targeted injectors in the 08 for better performance?
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Crackhead
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 07:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is a cheep reflash.
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Bllueman
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 07:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

justa4banger: i just went through the same process as you on ordering my ecm. you will not get a reply on the email address that begins with"orders". send your emails to: michael.richter@ebracing.com. michael told me that when i receive my ecm, it will have a label on it with a number. if the number ends in 52, it is for pump gas and if it ends in 42, it is for race gas. i received my ecm on tue and it was coded with 52(joy..joy..joy). I'm running a fmf slipon and k&n filter. waiting for the snow to melt. hope this helps.
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Keef
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 07:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i ordered my ecm several days ago and afterwards discovered they had one for race gas,one for one for pump gas , I emailed them twice and found out i have been sent the one for pump gas and the bas will still work,the shifter has been sent to the kick stand switch wiring which we dont have on the US bikes ,my ecm will be here friday, the APEX ss full exhaust is still "several" weeks away.....

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Bllueman
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 07:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

mountainstorm: thanks for all of your testing and reporting. you made it much easier for us followers.
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Justa4banger
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 07:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well i guess on Tuesday i'll find out...
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Blazin_buell
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 07:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

it's what the bike needs...
"Brawndo........it's got electrolights."

Obscure "Idiocracy" reference,another good Mike Judge endeavor that went under the radar.
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think it's remarkable how fast EBR is improving and adapting their product to meet the needs of Buell enthusiasts. The reallocation of the BAS/Shifter input is a nice touch.
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Justa4banger
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 08:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i'm guessing that the shifter relocation will become part of the PUMP GAS tune..it should its a good idea for sure...

Now all i want is confirmation that i got a pumpgas tune... Though i'm half curious to try a race gas tune, and see what she will put down.. On the flip side i don't want to do that because i will then go broke trying to keep up with the Gas bills LOL
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Highlander51
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've had mine since Mon. FMF slip on and K&N filter and confirm everything that Mountainstorm says. The bike now pulls very strong but it's more than that. The map is very fine tuned so you feel a more precise transition from zero throttle to half throttle. No on/off switch at slow speeds.
Less compression braking and smooth. The bike is so enjoyable to ride but be careful with adding throttle when exiting a corner as it's very easy to brake the rear tire loose. Just roll it on and smile!

(Message edited by highlander51 on February 04, 2010)
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do you even know what a race ECM is?

Yeah, it's what Buells crave.

Right there with you buddy, great movie.
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Highlander51 you put it into words better than I did. It's more refined, yet still brutal : D
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 03:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From: Info at Erik Buell Racing
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:42 PM
RE: 1125 Model Plug-N-Play ECM Y0152.08AZ

We can provide an ECM programmed for your stock exhaust that will give you a slight improvement on the track. It will not cause any damage to swap back and forth between the stock ECM for the street and the race one on the track. The stock exhaust is actually not all that restrictive, however a slip-on muffler without all the sound baffling and double wall shell for noise will save weight and add a bit more power. Something like the drummer or the FMF slip-on for example. You would need the ECM programmed differently between these two situations, but we can re-flash your ECM for $25 if you decide later to buy a slip-on exhaust.

Customer Support
Erik Buell Racing



Sounds like they have a tune for the stock pipe as well. I wonder how different the tune is for the slip-on versus the stocker? Ideally, I would like to buy one ECM and swap between the track pipe (slip-on) and street bike (stocker). If there is a significant difference in the tune (and resulting performance) I would consider buying two race ECMs...or I could just add the FMF to the street bike.
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