| Author | Message | ||
     Snackbar64 |
Why was the 1125R left out of this competition this year? A year when Buell has arguably made their best and most capable sportbike. Were they not invited? They had an explanation as to why Ducati couldn't get a 1098R there. Instead, they had the antiquated Aprilla that won in 06, and almost won again this year had it not been for the CBR1000. That alone makes me think the 1125R would have had a chance here. Please help me understand this one guys. Is this blatant bias? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I am almost glad that the 1125r wasn't there this year, due to the problems the test bikes have had in other shootouts. Don't they say that bad press is better than no press? In this case, I think naught. I am looking forward to the 2009 model year shootouts and comparos. | ||
| Jpfive |
I think that there might have been some bias in the omission, but I have to throw in with fresno here. Let's catch them in 2009. Jack P.S. The recent comparo between the '08 1125 and the Mille had the 11 faster I think - even though the tester had a personal preference for the Aprilia. I thin it was in Sport Rider. | ||
| Snackbar64 |
Well, even a low rpm surging, Hard Starting, quirk prone 1125R should be good for a run or two around the track. However, you all's points are well made and I await next year also. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
JP, you are right. It seemed like the 1125r had the upper hand in power, lap times, ergos & price....but then the tester chose the Aprilia...what gives? Oh yeah, it might have been the Buell's "wonky" steering. One of the problems that the Buell will always run into is the fact that the testers spend the vast majority of their time on IL4 machines, with more "traditional" sportbike geometry. The Buell will probably always feel funny to them due to the limited seat time. | ||
| Xb984r |
Maybe Buell wouldn't send them a bike for this comparo,it's happened before. | ||
| Hayabusa |
The bike probably wasn't invited because of the reliability issues and how the bike has done in the press so far...poor. With limited laps the writers like predictable bikes....the 08 is anything but predictable. All the writers have raved about the handling and how easy it is to go fast, however they have HATED the brakes! With only 3 or 4 hot laps per bike they don't want to waste time getting used to a bike that might not even run. Not too mention that Buell would have to ship the bikes as well as the crew to set them up. I think once the reliability is sorted out the Buell will get its chance to show its stuff! The 1125 has gotten enough black eyes for 2008! | ||
| Court |
>>>.Not too mention that Buell would have to ship the bikes And every other manufacturer does what? . . beams them up. Pure silliness. By the way . . . that's kind of a tongue in cheek reply. "Organized by our friends at Spain's Motociclismo magazine," I'm sure I'm not the only one in the world of Buell who has spent days riding with the editors of Motociclosmo and knows that Marco is a big Buell fan. I also laughed about the "shipping" comment because it was just a year ago that a Buell friend in Italy called with a problem. The Italian dealers were on holiday in August yet it took only a couple hours to get a dealer on the scene from Barcelona. Buells are shipping to Spain and Italy every week and there is a complete complement of European Media bikes. . . . just, by the way, as every other brand has. (Message edited by court on August 08, 2008) (Message edited by court on August 08, 2008) | ||
| Codename_loki |
That still doesn't answer the question as to why Buell wasn't involved this year. | ||
| Codename_loki |
Anybody out there got the straight dope or are we keeping it in our sneakers for now? | ||
| 01xjbuell |
Do we need to have an answer about why the 1125r didn't get entered by buell/or asked by a magazine? Could be a number of things, most of which we aren't privy too... I love my bike, and don't need a magazine to tell me that most of the guys I ride w/ like it too. -Nick | ||
| M2nc |
I questioned the same thing. The RC8 is less available than the 1125R but it was there. Also last year's twin winner the 1098R got routed by a less powerful 1125R during the last comparison with the two bikes and Benelli. The test rider was almost giddy about the Buell. He sited the less powerful Buell turned the fastest time of the day because it was less powerful and he could exit corners WOT. I have no doubt that the Buell would have placed well in that group and would have surprised many. The 1125R was also faster at the track than the Aprilia in the last comparison with those two bikes. | ||
| Blake |
"The bike probably wasn't invited because of the reliability issues and how the bike has done in the press so far...poor. With limited laps the writers like predictable bikes....the 08 is anything but predictable. All the writers have raved about the handling and how easy it is to go fast, however they have HATED the brakes! With only 3 or 4 hot laps per bike they don't want to waste time getting used to a bike that might not even run. Not too mention that Buell would have to ship the bikes as well as the crew to set them up. I think once the reliability is sorted out the Buell will get its chance to show its stuff! The 1125 has gotten enough black eyes for 2008!" Troll alert. The collection of this guy's posts here are suspicious if not outright hilarious... narrow,I know that they will be able to lower the temp of the engine to a certain point, but I don't believe that it will be enough to keep heat from transferring into the fuel and cooking it off as well as your leg hair. My 600 used to run at 218 in traffic, and my frame NEVER got hot because it was a solid piece of metal. Maybe not a troll, but sheesh, virtually every single post is griping and damning with faint praise. To his credit, some of the armchair engineering is downright hilarious. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
"Hayabusa" said: The bike probably wasn't invited because of the reliability issues and how the bike has done in the press so far...poor. That's FAR from true. I've seen several good reviews. All the writers have raved about the handling and how easy it is to go fast, however they have HATED the brakes! Who hated the brakes? I have yet to see a single review that said anything of the kind. Granted, I'm sure I haven't read EVERY SINGLE review of the 1125R written in the entire world, but I have read enough to know that these statements are inaccurate at best. | ||
| Teddagreek |
I enjoyed the Read but was suprised and disappointed a 1125r wasn't in it.. It is what it is maybe next year... | ||
| Bigeasy |
I think a 1125r with some MILES on it would do well in the test no doubt. No more crazy vibes once they are broke in and seems to do nothing but get better the more they are ridden. I also did not care for the front brake of the 1125r for feel. So I added a radial master, problem solved! Much better! It was the 1098s in the 3 way test not 1098r. Lets not kid our selves the 1125r is a awsome bike! But to put it up against the 1098r I dont think would be realistic. (unless we had Higbee as the rider){bigwink} The 1098r is crazy fast I have seen it first hand on the track. For that amount of money it better be!! Now the rc8 vs the buell I would like to see. Oh wait didnt the rc8 get smoked already this year at race against a stock demo 1125r? Buy the way there are now alot of talk about some of the problems the ktm has in the tests. Crappy gear box , too many vibes and believe it or not some said a weak motor. The ducati (which I love) also had stalling issues unless you were running the race kit.($3000.00!) It has had many other problems to go along with that one. Ducati has been addressing many of the issues already just as Buell is doing. Ducati is also a company that has been making powerfull twins for a lllooonnngg time. Buell is catching very fast though in my opinion! Next year guys! I hope we see our beloved 1125r in the mix. Ride on. (Message edited by bigeasy on August 09, 2008) | ||
| Mainstreamer |
"I am almost glad that the 1125r wasn't there this year, due to the problems the test bikes have had in other shootouts. Don't they say that bad press is better than no press? In this case, I think naught. I am looking forward to the 2009 model year shootouts and comparos." +1000, makes sense to me. There are many good, no GREAT bikes on the market today. You better bring a very sharp tool to the party if you're goin to cut it! Maybe in '09 for the r!! | ||
| Hayabusa |
I have been proven wrong...this site does love to flame people! Consider this guy burned. Now, let me explain my comments regarding the shipping in Masterbike. Each manufacturer will send 3 bikes along with a group of techs to set the bikes up for each rider and make general adjustments. The Bikes that are shipped to the contest are usually specials! Not the run of the mill straight off the production line models. Buell doesn't strike me as a big budget company that is willing to throw change around...I have never seen a Buell commercial on TV....the defense rests on that one. As for the Brakes...Sport Rider and Cycle World both hated the brakes...too touchy, not enough progressive feel. Amazingly enough there is a thread for guys changing their brake pads to address those very issues...hmmmmm. Finally, Blake...Prove my engineering wrong. All you do is defend Buell and when things go sour on a topic you are no where to be found. My bike is #132 and I am pretty sure that it was the first one to hit the streets of NJ in early December of 2007. I still own my 1125R unlike some people who have unloaded theirs already. My posts have been negative because my general experience as compared to my 636R, Busa, R1, & Gixxer 6 has been sour. The 636R was a first year production model with a totally new displacement...and it had the best fuel map I have ever had on a bike. So I struggle with the excuses that you constantly make regarding Buell as a company. How about you prove my engineering wrong regarding the heat build up in the fuel tank...oh wait you still don't believe that we boil fuel....I remember those posts, and the bikes really don't get hot even though there are pictures of a guy with burns on his legs. I have never called anyone out online because I thought it was a cowardly way to address another human being and I was under the impression that Buell riders might be different....I guess I am wrong. | ||
| Spectrum |
Hayabusa, what's the build month on your bike? | ||
| Hayabusa |
Spectrum I am not sure on the exact date but the bike hit the floor the second week of December and my dealer told me that the deliveries were 2-3 weeks behind. Best guess is a build date of late October of 2007. I hope that helps. | ||
| Jpfive |
Your number could be Oct or Nov, according to the thread devoted to this subject. Amazing, but I am actually finding it interesting. Could you check the date embossed on the right front of the frame? Thanks, Busa! Jack | ||
| Jpfive |
Oh, and to the point of Blake's post. Owners have a right to their expectations. Some are higher than others. But by paying the price of admission, it pretty much removes one from the status of troll - as Blake observed at the end of his post. I've got a lot of thoughts on this subject - maybe worthy of its own thread. In the meantime, my thanks to all who are contributing to the development of this fantastic bike - and to Blake for the effort he puts into maintaining this site. Jack | ||
| M2nc |
My bad on the 1098R versus 1098S. You are right, the $12 Grand 1125R bested the Ducati that cost almost $20 grand, not the one that cost almost $40 grand. Of course put the difference in cost of entry into the 1125R and who knows. (Message edited by M2nc on August 10, 2008) | ||
| Hayabusa |
#132 Nov 08...finally stopped storming so I could go out and check. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I have never seen a Buell commercial on TV Ever watch Speed channel? Oh they also regularly have full page ads in the Moto mags.... You definitely sound like someone who needs the "refinement" of a IL4 Japanese bike. | ||
| Teddagreek |
I thought this was a motorcycle forum.. You know, you talk about your motorcycles and experiences good and bad. If your experiences are more bad than good so be it.. You got to take the good with the bad.. I'm a bit disappointed about no Buell in master bike but we'll be fine.. Just means I'll read it once on the crapper instead of a few times.. Like I said before it is what it is? Who know's why? Maybe Sr. Anonymous can answer? (Message edited by teddagreek on August 10, 2008) | ||
| 46champ |
Is the Masterbike competition by invatation only? | ||
| Snackbar64 |
46champ, That is exactly what I'd like to know. | ||
| Bigdaddy |
Finally, Blake...Prove my engineering wrong. All you do is defend Buell and when things go sour on a topic you are no where to be found. Wow. I've seen many attacks on Blake, but you've plowed up some new ground. He's got a life outside of BWB (wife, house, work) so he can't be on here 24/7. He's not hiding. G2 | ||
| Smoke |
i think that build date is nov 07. mine is also nov 07, #316. tim |
