| Author | Message | ||
     Eldredma |
Has anyone seen this Benelli TNT Cafe Racer 1130? The sidemounted radiators... the fairing/headlight assembly... they look mighty familiar... http://www.benelli-america.com/bikes.html Could Erik be working with them? | ||
| Rainman |
I think it looks like EZ Blasts modified Blasts. Check out the bikes on his profile. I think the design just trickled up from this website. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. | ||
| Brad1445 |
I wish they had worked together, The Benelli is a far more mature/developed design than the parts bin designed Buells. | ||
| Diablo1 |
The Benellis have their own set of problems. Yes, they look nice, but the quality control is so awful they can't even keep the press bikes running. They'd make a nice display for your living room though. | ||
| Ccryder |
Hmm, Brad take a look at Benelli's line and tell me who is shopping in their own parts bin. Anyway for my $0.02, Buell's parts bin is newer than most. Did you go for that ride?? Mine sure was nice. | ||
| Spatten1 |
The Benellis have their own set of problems. Yes, they look nice, but the quality control is so awful they can't even keep the press bikes running. Uhhhh.......at least they do look nice. | ||
| 4cammer |
Ever see the Benellis in person? P U. Way too much going on. | ||
| Imonabuss |
Brad1445, you are ridiculous with your trolling. The Benelli is not nearly as integrated as the 1125CR. Not even remotely close. Your entire life seems to exist of popping into every thread on the 1125 with your styling opinions. Man, get a life! Better yet, get some taste! | ||
| Brad1445 |
I take it you work for Buell or dealer since you decided to make it personal? If you really care for the company you would want to see it grow and succeed. So my Firebolt tail on the new 1125R pods with the aftermarket bikini fairing combination announced today is what you call thought out integration? The future for Buell is bleak if all they get is yes men or bean counters to design the bikes. It's like when Buell put number plates on a lightning and gave it a new name pretending it was a motard. You can call me a troll but II care more about the success of Buell than you can imagine. My fear is they are heading down a path like the American car makers lost and disconnected from reality of the market. I'm the most pro buy American guy you will find but eventually you can chase even your loyal customers away as reality becomes too big to ignore. Buell made beautiful bikes for years so I know they can do it. They get a dream engine and dont give it enough respect to give it it's own design. They could have swept the market if they wanted to with their handling and belt drive. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
I probably shouldn't even be bringing this up. But is it pretty well known by now that the CR is based on a photo of Lil' Blackie that appeared on Bad Web last year. Basically a Lightning with an R tail and a streetfighter headlight off a Kawi with clubman's bars. See what I mean?  | ||
| Ccryder |
I'm sure that there was some design confirmation but it's a stretch on whether it's "based" on that pict. Considering the design/ manufacturing cycle and lead times, this design was finalized over a year ago. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Jess funnin' CC, but hey, coulda happened, right? This was probably the "confirmation shot", know what I mean?   | ||
| Ccryder |
Sweeeet 4sure. Which forks are in the 2nd shot? Not stock. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Thanks CC, The forks, (as well as the rear shock and steering damper) are by Ohlins. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Jon, What day of each month will the royalty checks be rolling in? | ||
| Imonabuss |
No way Gentleman Jon, how could the design be related to anything a Buell owner or customer could want since Brad1445 knows all of them and knows that every 1125R and 1125CR has and will been sold to customers via death threats from Buell? No, you must be Asian or something and part of the insufferable plot to destroy all real American styling... No royalty checks to you, enemy of the Brad-state! | ||
| Kttemplar |
seems to me, that Buell is staying true to its original customer base by bringing out a "street fighter" version of the 1125R. Nothing more - Nothing less. Their product line is made up mostly of street fighter style bikes, so in order to retain those customers, they came out with a street fighter version of the 1125R. It makes perfect sense. The next step, of course is to come out with several other iterations of the 1125 like a 1125S, Ss, Cg etc. And of course, last, but not least the adventure section with an 1125X, XT. They should be able to recoup all of the R&D placed into development of the 1125R by pimping many different versions so that they can generate enough revenue to make even better things. I would not be surprised to see some of the MV Augusta technology start showing up in Buells soon as well. | ||
| Blazin_buell |
Oh Harvey , my sides are hurting because of that reply. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I would not be surprised to see some of the MV Augusta technology start showing up in Buells soon as well. Oh how we could use a 1125RR with some F4-styling (best looking bike on the planet IMO)and humane ergos like the current 1125R. | ||
| Xb984r |
"Man, get a life! Better yet, get some taste!" Mr Buss,I guess a lot of people need to get some taste then.The CR is one ugly bike,of course thats just my opinion and many others have the same opinion on many other motorcycle message boards.Harvey or what ever your name is,you do seem to take any criticism of anything Buell pretty personal.When it all is said and done,we will see how this bike is perceived in the sales numbers. | ||
| Brad1445 |
Half the people here work for Buell, or Buell Dealers. Not to much room for decent. The last two bike releases from Buell prove they have no serious intent on competing in the marketplace. They fixed their only shortfall (engine) and created a new shortfall to lock in their place as a very very very nitch player. The odd looks. Possibly a Tax write off for Harley? I was hoping for years when they would get this engine Ducati will be history by the Americans. Guess they have nothing to fear. Now I will be bashed as a troll when in fact I care more than most thats why I push for serious efforts to be the best while most others just move on and will never be heard of again here. This post will also be followed by a post of an anedote from a 1125 owner staying how many looks they get on this bike, (duh) It like a car accident, you cant help but look no matter how hard you try not to. Then they will say people give me compliments all the time, (duh) nobody walks up to someone to tell them their bike is goofy. So we have this reality bubble that keeps many enthusiast from being honest. Watch the post that follow anything posted by an Anonymous (sad) in an undisclosed location. The butt kissing goes into high gear. Reality is distortion field is fed energy. Buell was cool for the innovation unique styling, great handling and belt drive. In motorcycle circles it is becoming a styling joke, and I don't like that one bit. I want Buell to be the envy of all. I want a successful healthy American sport bike company. We owe it to ourselves and Buell to be honest and real. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
This post will also be followed by a post of an anedote from a 1125 owner staying how many looks they get on this bike, (duh) It like a car accident, you cant help but look no matter how hard you try not to. Then they will say people give me compliments all the time, (duh) nobody walks up to someone to tell them their bike is goofy. Bro, I don't grab people randomly and ask what their opinion of my 1125r is...and I doubt anyone else does either. Believe it or not, people approach me and give compliment after compliment. To even insinuate that the 1125r look is akin to a car accident...is...well...just plain ignorant. Believe or not, your idea of a good-looking motorcycle is not the Bible. And many of your comments (especially in your last post) are Troll-ish. If Buell is disappointing your as much as it seems, maybe you should peruse the Ducati forums and let us blind "yes"-men here follow Buell into motorcycle oblivion. | ||
| Doerman |
Half the people here work for Buell, or Buell Dealers. Not to much room for decent. Not true. BadWeB membership is in the 5 figures. Blake can verify. If there's 200 one here that are affiliated with the BMC directly or through dealership, I'd think that would be a high figure. The last two bike releases from Buell prove they have no serious intent on competing in the marketplace. This is your perception. Can't argue with a person's perception. Just keep in mind not to be excited when someone else does not agree with your perception. So we have this reality bubble that keeps many enthusiast from being honest. We all live in our reality bubble. You have yours and I have mine. I know you are truly disappointed and you want the best for BMC's future health. That's different than trolling. However, over here in my bubble, I am very happy! That only means something to me. I am not schooled well enough in marketing trends to know if there are enough people reacting to Buell's 1125 models like I do to make it a success for BMC. I even know less about what Buell definition of a market success is. I know this. The 1125 inspires more Buell passion in me than anything else they have made since 1995 (Possible exception: the S2). Does that translate to a secure future for Buell? I do not know. And I will submit that you do not know if your perception of the 1125R line spells doom for the future of BMC. Why, you ask? Simply this. I suspect that there is at least one that feels like me for every one that feels like you. Numbers prove it. Buell shipped more than 4150 bikes last quarter. I believe that is a record. I understand your disappointment that they have not produced what you hoped they would. (Message edited by doerman on July 25, 2008) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Dick, or whatever your name is, I never said I liked the CR looks....maybe read a bit before posting your rubbish. | ||
| Nyeguy |
Brad is partly right. Buells arent the most attractive bikes out there and as we know sex sells!!Which brings me to Ducati, when a Buell has a ridability problem its bashed repeatedly in the press but when the same problem appears on a Ducati its "just a unique characteristic" or its "tempermental" or whatever you want or hear in any review. How many Ducatis have been in the motorcycle rags in the last year and how many are on the cover? Compare that to Buell and it answers itself! Ducatis have sex appeal and are media darlings and Buells are redheadded step childs!! Have u ever ridden a Ducati? I have and its painful!! Gimmie a Buell any day!! Made by people in MY country that get up for work and sweat while listening to classic rock on the radio and looking forward to the ride home and drinkin a BEER!!!God Bless Buell!! | ||
| Fresnobuell |
looking forward to the ride home +1..that and riding TO work are many times the best parts of the whole day. Ducati definitely knows how to play the media game without a doubt....Buell (maybe not used to the attention) seems to hurt itself by not sending fully sorted bikes. I REALLY don't understand that at all.} | ||
| Xnr |
Hmmm ... bash Brad day? Starting riding dirt bikes a long time back. Had a Yamaha thumper and several Harleys. Never owned a rice rocket. Never heard of Buell until about 2000. Bought the X1 (used) several years back. It has been a GREAT bike and is still doing fine. Cannot fathom why they do not hold value compared to a Sportster. Some more years passed and I tired of getting toasted by the Asian sportbikes. Reluctant to enter that fray, I start considering the European models ... Ducati, Triumph, KTM, etc ... $$$. About the time I am ready to commit to Euro, low and behold Buell (an American company) announces the 1125R. Wow! So, I hestitate to do the 1st model year bug thing ... but one closeup and I am sold. The "R" is not pretty and from experience I find she is a hot bitch in more ways than one but I can love her ... for awhile. I see Brad has a Busa, a DucTard, and a KTM so I question his commitment to Buell ... but, Buell styling could use some improvement. Or, maybe it is the exact market that is driving the style. Look at the 1125R ... it looks alot like every other rocket except the under-slung muffler and the ZTL brakes ... both Buell trademarks. BTW ... a 100cc Benelli was the first cycle I put a leg over. Ride safe and watch out for trolls | ||
| Ezblast |
Heck no! They as you John took the idea off an early rendition of my Blast - lol -  and the later version combined -   Actually though - I actually think they get their ideas from varied MC designs plus a healthy dose of their own creativity that they are famous for. The CR is one sweet looking bike! EZ | ||
| Smoke |
to all--only time will tell. as my friend used to say-all your taste is in your mouth. some like and some don't. me, i will be happy to see the perceived problems go away on the 1125R and a strong, powerful and troublefree product emerge. i like the looks of the R over the CR. the new colors are nice, though. tim | ||
| Madav8tr |
" Look at the 1125R ... it looks alot like every other rocket except the under-slung muffler and the ZTL brakes ... both Buell trademarks. " I don't think the 1125R looks ANYTHING like any other bike on the market. The underslung muffler has become par for the course BTW with just about every manufacturer dong what Buell has been doing for years. As for bash Brad day, hardly. Each time he posts he has to point out how big a failure the 1125R(cr) are and are going to continue to be and then reinforces his view by insuating that those of that do like the bike are blind loyalists with no sense of self being. Nothing could be further from the truth IMO. I didn't care for the look at first but it has steadily grown on me and by the time I got a test ride, I truly loved the way the 1125 looks. The fact that a lot of other people don't like it is icing on the cake to me and I like the fact that I likely won't see another one while I am and out riding. If I wanted a Ducati, I would have bought a Ducati. Attempting copy Ducati or Benelli or anyone else really isn't what I think Buell's are all about. To me Buells have always been ridden by guys that don't want to conform to the rest of the sportbike crowd, guys that enjoy being different from the crowd......kind of like an Anti-gixxer  |
