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     Bebop |
For those that don't know that's the Y2K powered by a Rolls Royce Allison gas turbine putting 286hp to the rear wheel. I've not heard of anyone actually reaching the supposed 260mph top speed but the following video stated 242mph on a closed course. I know this bike has nothing to do with the bikes in debate, but it is an example of "more is never enough" (Message edited by bebop on January 22, 2008) | ||
| No_rice |
over 320 horse and 425ft/pnds starting at 2000 rpm http://marineturbine.com/motorsports.asp the harder it pulls, the harder it pulls. it just keeps consistantly building. it is a riot to ride to a bike night. tell the people to stay away from the backend and whats the first thing they do. walk behind it and get there legs toasted. mmm the smell of burt leg hair, lol | ||
| Court |
My "gut" (and it's no more than a pure wild guess from seeing some bikes that seem to have worked well) is that bike would need some aerodynamic help to realize it's potential in a straight line. It looks tall. . . get more than about an 1" off the salt and live gets interesting. That front wheel would need covered (again, I think you can only cover 50% of it). And . . that concave "bucket" behind the front wheel would take on some interesting characteristics round the 200 mark. Tires are also a huge limiting factor as one of our friends, who returned from a first run on a brand new set of tires, found when he returned to the pits to find a good deal of the tread gone. Fast get's techy after about 205. Just a guess. . . . | ||
| No_rice |
i am sure it could be more aero dynamic, but it doesnt do to bad! that hole behind the front tire though, is sucking so damn much air it its amazing. i cant remember what the say it is in cubic feet that it sucks through there. the thing will top 200 faster than you would imagine, and pretty steady at that. it is the fastest vehical i have ever driven, or ridden in for that matter, besides an actual plane or something similar. we have another alison 250 sitting in a custom frame at the moment, and then the first jet bike a friend and i built has a jfs 100. that motor weighs about 60 pounds and puts down 300pnd ft in a bike that weighs 292 pounds. | ||
| Rocketman |
Our new Highland 450 MC/SM; very similar in architecture & design to the Helicon, albeit one cylinder. In race trim: 69 rwhp.* do the math. [Hint: 198+ hp @ crank for Helicon] 99 estimated crank HP, race Highland single, based on 69RWHP measured? 99 x 2cyl = 198 Amazing. And there was me thinking you actually knew something about engines. Permit me if you will. There's a little more going on inside an engine than the outside appearance  Rocket | ||
| Rfischer |
Arrrrggh...! Noooo, Rocket, not 99 at the crank and not 2 X 99 = 198. It would seem you need to consult one of your oh-so-expensive technical texts to help you out of your confusion. Or, perhaps an open invitation to visit us in Jonkoping in order that we can demonstrate that we actually do know what goes on inside an engine. And have a few trophies to show for it. | ||
| Ccryder |
Sean: What color is that gauntlet? You are closer to them than us, time for a road trip. Neil S. | ||
| Rocketman |
Arrrrggh...! Noooo, Rocket, not 99 at the crank and not 2 X 99 = 198. Instead of calling me stupid, and sending flaming emails, why not explain how you can relate the Highland figures you mention to arrive at a theoretical 198 crank HP for an 1125? Unfortunately my text books don't exaggerate. And I doubt your colleagues in Jonkoping do either. It's your claim and your theory, so at least have the bollocks to explain it, coz last time I saw a Highland motor, about the only thing it had in common with a Helicon was its V twin cylinder configuration. So come on Robin, be a good fella and share the benefit of your wisdom, lest some think you may just be trolling. Rocket | ||
| Rfischer |
My bad - I got sucked into Rocket's adolescent pissing match. We have confidential projects on-going and he cannot be trusted. Invitation to visit rescinded. Helicon hp. discussion ended. | ||
| Rocketman |
Cry baby  Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
News just in. 1098R road test, word exclusive MCN next Wednesdays copy. Standby for an 1125 pounding, lol. Rocket | ||
| Travelingman |
I have enjoy all the compassion and experiences shared under this thread that I stared. I asked at the start for others to share their Dyno runs on their 1125's. Apparently there are none. So I would like the moderator to close this thread so we can move on to other relevant experiences with the 1125R. :-) | ||
| Jpfive |
I understand your frustration, T. There is a dyno run in my bike's future. I will post at that time, probably with a new thread. Thanks for starting the post. Jack | ||
| Jpfive |
I received the preview announcement from MCN yesterday. I will be interested to see if they compare the 1098r to the 1125. But, we all know that the valid comparison is to the base 1098. Has anybody done a ride report on that bike? That's a serious question, BTW, as I have been looking for some valid numbers on the base bike. Jack | ||
| Zac4mac |
I said early on I got a quickie done at NRHS that said 126hp@155mph in 5th. No torque check, just Road HP. That's enough for me, way more power than I've ever had access to. As the roads here warm up, I've noticed a few power wheelies, when it's cold the tire just slips. Never had that on any HD product. Zack | ||
| Rocketman |
So I would like the moderator to close this thread so we can move on to other relevant experiences with the 1125R. That's pretty selfish when one considers how interesting at times 'your' thread had become. Nothing like being a little over protective to the often wild 1125 HP claims  Rocket | ||
| Jpfive |
Rocket, you've taken a lot of glee in goading us hopelessly provincial Americans. I'm glad you've enjoyed the show. Pax, Jack | ||
| Rocketman |
Rocket, you've taken a lot of glee in goading us hopelessly provincial Americans. I'm glad you've enjoyed the show. I prefer to think of it as me giving my American friends a well deserved reality check when their excitement runs away with them. That the thread itself shared some interesting moments, and was only blighted by those refusing to keep in touch with reality, it's such a pity that their efforts wavered from the subject matter in an effort to discredit my offerings. All the same, you may consider my contributions as a gift. Rocket | ||
| Metalstorm |
Is that gift anything like the dreaded fruit cake?  All in good fun. I just couldn't resist that opening and believe you me, I tried  I tend to stay out of these technical debate since it would be like taking a knife to a gun fight. You and M1 are wayyy out of my league when it comes to this stuff. My head is still spinning  On edit: It's been educational (Message edited by metalstorm on January 26, 2008) | ||
| Rocketman |
I tend to stay out of these technical debate since it would be like taking a knife to a gun fight. No worries on that count. There are those here who claim to be on a technical  Highland, yet they can only troll rather than put up a valid argument. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
But, we all know that the valid comparison is to the base 1098. Has anybody done a ride report on that bike? That's a serious question, BTW, as I have been looking for some valid numbers on the base bike. I believe I posted the figure earlier in the thread. MCN tested the 1098 (not 1098S) at 144rwhp / 84ftlbs torque. Publication date 17th December 07. Rocket | ||
| Jpfive |
My mistake, Rocket,missed that post - this thread _has_ gotten a little lengthy. I had the mistaken impression that the 1098 base model was close to the 1125 in power. The Ducati site rates the 1098 at 160HP at the crank. MCN's dyno is pretty accurate, I would guess. 144HP puts the rear wheel output at 90% of the crank. Applying the same correction to the 1125, would yield 131.4HP at the wheel. That's about 10 HP better than the Speed Triple, and a little bit north of some numbers that I have seen on the GSXR750 - and about what I expected. I certainly don't feel cheated by that figure. I take your point that it is unrealistic to expect that Buell could overhaul Ducati's best in one quantum leap. I think the question of which will make the best street bike, and the best bang for the buck is an open one still. Jack | ||
| M2nc |
I believe I posted the figure earlier in the thread. MCN tested the 1098 (not 1098S) at 144rwhp / 84ftlbs torque. Publication date 17th December 07. We will all soon get a chance to see an 1125R and a 1098 compared heads up. But to think that $7000 dollars worth of modifications to make the 1098S only yields 6rwhp is as foolish as those claiming 200rwhp out of a road going 1125R. I remember early XB12R reading mid-90rwhp but then mysteriously loose 10+rwhp over the years. If a 146 crank HP 1125R drops 20, the same will be the case for the 1098. I say the same dyno that pins an 1125R between 126-130rwhp will at the same time pin a 1098 at 136-140rwhp factoring in a percentage power loss rather than a linear power loss. So time will tell because that comparison will happen. I am curious to see how these peak HP numbers translate over the RPM range. The 1125R may make as much or even a little more RWHP at lower RPM ranges. I surely hope they do track testing with lap times. I imagine the results will be quite close if Ducati has the courage to pin up a stock 1098 up against an 1125R that is. It is quite difficult to find test numbers on that mythical $14,995 bike. | ||
| Rocketman |
But to think that $7000 dollars worth of modifications to make the 1098S only yields 6rwhp is as foolish as those claiming 200rwhp out of a road going 1125R. That's a little misleading dude. Ducati have added the extra cost for more exotic parts strewn around the whole bike, and not just $7k into tuning it to 'S' spec. I am curious to see how these peak HP numbers translate over the RPM range. The 1125R may make as much or even a little more RWHP at lower RPM ranges. You want to be careful with this assumption proving the 1125 superior across the range, as this is the focus most manufacturers are going for to beat emissions and offer a more exciting ride without the need to exploit ever higher HP numbers. Take a look at the 2007 and 2008 Yamaha R6. The comparison of the newer against the older model makes the point exactly as you wish it for the 1125. In other words, it's evidence that linear power deliver is becoming the focus of where HP is aimed for a better rider experience. I imagine the results will be quite close if Ducati has the courage to pin up a stock 1098 up against an 1125R that is. It is quite difficult to find test numbers on that mythical $14,995 bike. Hardly elusive when MCN, the worlds largest weekly motorcycle publication has the full test, including their own dyno numbers etc, in print. I haven't checked, but I'd be surprised if the 1098 test isn't on their website either. Must we interject misleading assumptions into this thread  Face it, the 1098 is not going to be bettered or beaten anywhere by the 1125. Rocket | ||
| Rocketsprink |
"Face it, the 1098 is not going to be bettered or beaten anywhere by the 1125" "You want to be careful with this assumption" What do you mean, exactly, by the first statement? If you mean by any racer at any track, I will gladly take a wager up with you on that. I have seen, personally, 999 dusted at my races, by a friend that rides a 12R. Both excellent riders. What is the HP difference between a 999 and a 12R? Sean, you accuse so many here of being near sighted and not having any proof to back up their statements. But you seem to believe that everything you say is gospel and if people question you on it, they are the ignorant ones. YOUR opinions are as worthy and worthless as everyone else's here. Again. Care to bet on the above statement? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Yeah. Stay on top of that Rocket, otherwise this might turn into some sort of Buell Enthusiasts Site or something... Do you have friends with kids they love and spouses they think are beautiful? Hope you treat them better then you treat us, rather then spending your time injecting your own personal reality into their lives. | ||
| Rocketman |
But you seem to believe that everything you say is gospel and if people question you on it, they are the ignorant ones. Well, I wouldn't go as far as to call them ignorant unless they deserved it, but I do a lot of research before I offer my opinions, so it's pretty much likely I'm always right seeing as I try not to listen to crap  Care to bet on the above statement? Absolutely I do. Save the odd time when the 1125 gets lucky, the overriding factor here is the 1098 is always going to beat the 1125 if the 1125 takes the fight into 1098 territory. Ask Erik. He knows what the 1125 was built to do, and that was never to compete head to head with a 1098. He said as much in his radio interview. Let me just add one thing here before I get roasted for the eight zillionth time. I'm sure, as I've said all along, the 1125 is a great ride, and very capable, and there are places where no bike will dominate the other, though those places will be about anything but the bike, but the 1125 not bettering the 1098 does not make it any less of a great bike I'm sure it is judging by its current owners reception. Please bear my thoughtful and respectful comments in mind before you hang me. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Do you have friends with kids they love and spouses they think are beautiful? Hope you treat them better then you treat us, rather then spending your time injecting your own personal reality into their lives. I never pass up the chance to tell my friends their kids are ugly, but my friends are all beautiful. So it goes that their kids are too, so it never need be said. And I'm always trying to get my friends wifes and girlfriends into bed. We only do 'lookers' in our gang. We're actually very shallow people, but you can't be gifted all ways can you? Rocket | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Again, what are YOUR parameters for the bet? What do you consider the 1125 getting luck? Anytime it beats a 1098? I have no ill feelings for any Ducati. In fact, I used to race a 750SS, so I a not blinded by brand loyalty. However, you stating that a 1125 will never beat a 1098 without luck is actually a really uneducated opinion. Where did you research this information? When was the last race between these 2 bikes? Going off the spec sheets are you? A 12R, then, should never be able to beat a 999. Care to inform the ignorant as to how that happened? The 12R wasn't built to compete with the 999 either. | ||
| Rocketman |
Which 12r beat a 999? Stock v stock? I think not. 1125r v 1098, stock v stock, any track anywhere, except a go-kart track which pretty much limits the virtues of any bike, where even a midi moto could beat a 1098. Rocket |
