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Twobuells
Posted on Friday, June 30, 2017 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As of Thursday, June 29, 2017, Ducati Motors will officially be owned by Harley Davidson. It will remain as a separate entity operating on their own. There has been talks that they will continue projects that were implemented with Buell and hope to have better results with a reputable name brand as Ducati. Harley Davidson CEO Matthew Levatich is set to announce the news formally tomorrow at a new conference.

http://channel23news.com/2017/06/sold-ducati-motor s-expecting-major-changes/

(Message edited by twobuells on June 30, 2017)
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89rs1200
Posted on Friday, June 30, 2017 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

D'oh!!
I took the bait and the hook!
Nearly forwarded that announcement to my friends and family.
Good one Twobuells!
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Johndd
Posted on Friday, June 30, 2017 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

... their first joint project will be a 960 lb touring road king dual sport bike...with off road tires....
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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, June 30, 2017 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Confirmed!
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Midknyte
Posted on Friday, June 30, 2017 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Man, who'da thought that would happen!
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Tootal
Posted on Saturday, July 01, 2017 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Water slot? You do know that's where the driver backrest goes through, right?

Not talking about the back rest slot. Look in the bottom of the saddle.
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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2017 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Another model

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Oddball
Posted on Monday, July 03, 2017 - 11:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Both of those pics show how Ducati Davidson will redefine the sport touring category.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm really liking the Ohlins springer...
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm really liking the Ohlins springer...

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Court
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The funnest part is that there are some Harley-Davidson executives you could show that to that would never spot the problems.

I kept an interesting poster, made by an agency retained by Harley-Davidson, that was to promote Buell. The poster had a bike that looked a bit like a Bandit or FZ the was emblazoned with the words BUELL on the tank.

The company, no kidding, didn't know Buell made motorcycles . . . thought they were a supplier of aftermarket goodies and performance parts for HD.

It was on display at the New York City IMS show when I arrived . . . I grabbed it, sliced off the offending part and put the rest back on the display tripod.
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Oddball
Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2017 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

LOL

That poster would be funny to see.


"Hey, who cut a hole a hole in our poster?"
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Mnscrounger
Posted on Friday, July 07, 2017 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"The funnest part is that there are some Harley-Davidson executives you could show that to that would never spot the problems"

I don't know maybe the HD engineers actually learned something from their Buell days.

Those springs could be in tension. We could be witnessing the debut of a "pull type" fork spring assembly.
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Lynrd
Posted on Friday, July 14, 2017 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That bike is completely impractical. It needs forward controls
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Toxic
Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2017 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-harley-davidson- results-idUSKBN1A3126

Don't think Harley's buying anything soon... They're bleeding. They should have invested in something that would have appealed to younger riders. Oh wait...
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Stevel
Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 03:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brian,
You can criticize HD for a lot of things, but marketing or bad business decisions isn't one of them. The demise of EBR has proven the HD decision correct.
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1313
Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 07:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can criticize HD for a lot of things, but...bad business decisions isn't one of them.

Case in point, buying MV Agusta?


(Message edited by 1313 on July 19, 2017)
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm with 1313 there. Buell was making a profit when they pulled the proverbial rug. Wandel was an idiot! Very bad decision IMO. It seems that anybody that takes on MV Agusta loses. Cool bikes, just not profitable enough to sustain. Had they not considered MV Agusta and let Erik alone there would be a lot more happy campers today.
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Toxic
Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Stevel,
I can and I will. They are currently proving that the only market they knew how to sell to is no longer buying their new bikes. The EBR failure IMO can not be viewed as proving HD correct, as EBR never truly got established and had no marketing budget at all. Saying that HD couldn't have done a better job at marketing, and/or couldn't have made a business decision to allow Buell to use something other than the air cooled twin earlier on would have failed is impossible to prove.
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Rkc00
Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have seen that poster.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 04:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Had they not considered MV Agusta and let Erik alone there would be a lot more happy campers today."

Exactly.

HD Inc lost their shorts in their greedy pursuit of onerous financing profiteering; selling 7 year loans on motorcycles. Scoundrels.
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Oddball
Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They were swamped with repos for a while. I remember Orlando Harley having an endless sea of used touring rigs in their lot as traffic drove past on 4. Dunno how they ever unloaded that glut. Guess they wrote more risky loans?

Those were the days. Watching the nightly sweeps of the repo trucks through the community. It was a good business time for those guys i guess. Always a silver lining.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2017 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here's the latest: not Harley, but Polaris!

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2017/07/reuters-rep orts-harley-not-among-bidders-for-ducati-but-polar is-is/
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Monday, July 31, 2017 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why anyone who calls himself a motorcyclist here would like to see the demise of Harley is beyond me. The Buells you ride were made possible by Harley Davidson motor company. Have you not noticed how Buell has not been able to function and is now kaput since Harley dumped them. I was very upset when that happened just like the rest of you but Harley did what they did and that is that. As for the demise of Harley, the whole motorcycle industry is in the slumps and that should worry all of us. Ducati wouldn't be up for sale except that they aren't performing any better than the rest of the mc industry in general. I for one want Harley to succeed because it would be a sad day indeed if Harley wasn't around. I agree that MV Agusta was a very stupid move and never understood what they could of possibly been high on when they did that one sided deal. Just pissed over 100 million down the drain. That still doesn't belie the fact that Buell has not been able to be on their own without another big money business to prop them up and even that has not worked out. I wish like everyone else here that Buell was still part of Harley and continuing to improve their motorcycles for us to buy but that is over and done.
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Tootal
Posted on Monday, July 31, 2017 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The demise of Wandel maybe but not Harley. He was the screw up in charge at the time and he pulled the rug on a profitable company.

I wish Harley would improve quality so I could buy one. Cranks that have .014" of run out, starters with no shaft support and self destructing Compensating nuts. They started going down hill in 2003 all in the name of cheaper manufacturing cost. I'll keep mine as long as I can keep it running or until Harley starts respecting their customers again.
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Needs_o2
Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2017 - 09:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I surely don't want to see them fail, but what really frustrates me and probably others, is the reason they gave when they abandoned Buell. They said they were going to focus on their core business. Unfortunately, the core of their business is no longer motorcycles, it's lifestyle. As far as Buell being on their own, they were never given the chance to do that, especially with H-D. And don't forget how much help H-D has needed in the past, including from the feds.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2017 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well. . . . ummmmm . . . . "kinda".

The "lifestyle" thing . . . while not without merit, was an outgrowth of the motorcycles and Harley-Davidson . . a firm that was making a mint on the sale of black t-shirts . . . would have been remiss to not take advantage of that revenue. The lifestyle thing was smart, not something that obviated the core motorcycle business.

Ditto the chatter about handouts, government help and so forth. While there was some . . . it's important to understand the environment it occurred in (you'll read up on "dumping" and also folks tend to forget that Harley-Davidson went back to the feds to have the restrictions removed early.

I'd suggest reading the book "Well Made in America" by Richard Teerlink for a good understanding of what was going on.

https://www.amazon.com/Well-Made-America-Lessons-H arley-Davidson/dp/0070265003/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qi d=1501620183&sr=8-1&keywords=well+made+in+america
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Needs_o2
Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2017 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court, didn't H-D, in the first half of their existence, thrive to win races and out perform others, especially Indian? Now, all their bikes are designed with function following form.

I was fortunate to have meet the Teerlinks while working on their house in Elm Grove, and they were very down to earth and caring people. H-D was lucky to have him.

My point about the money end of things was in regards to Elect's comment about Buell being able to stand alone. I don't know what company could survive when their funding is abruptly cut off (more than once), and not because of their own doing or misdoings.
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