| Author | Message | ||
     Jscott |
Our friends at Superbike Planet don't seem to happy about the current state of the union... http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/090310buel lstra.htm | ||
| Doerman |
What a dweeb! If he does not have something to say that is relevant to the race itself he should just shut up. He and I obviously didn't watch the same race. | ||
| Davegess |
Yeah if we lose it is because the biek is a piece of s*** and if we run fast it because the AMA gives us a huge unfair advantage. I hope the new format is a huge sucess; not just because bike racing needs it but just to watch them squirm. | ||
| Court |
Someone cares? | ||
| Fast1075 |
I posted a whitty and biting counterpoint....and then I realized the little article was satire.. Nevermind...  (Message edited by fast1075 on March 10, 2009) | ||
| Court |
There are those, absent personal accomplishment to showcase, who are content to diminish the accomplishments of others lacking their own. When someone, agree, disagree, like or dislike, accomplishes something it's just as easy to say "well done" or "congratulations". I'm old. One of the things I've learned is to celebrate my own accomplishments as well as congratulate others on theirs. I know not to burn bridges. No one from Buell, when the XBRR's had their un-delightful debut, who tried to explain things away by badmouthing anyone, any company or anything.
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| Reepicheep |
I'll never, ever, look negatively on somebody who is chasing a dream with passion. Crash and burn or succeed beyond all expectations almost doesn't matter... its having the stones and the talent to go after it that gets my respect. | ||
| Buellracerx |
obviously some people just enjoy criticizing everything and anything, no matter if it's the same or changed, good or bad. it's just what gets them going. some people just can't be pleased and eventually, they will discredit themselves before everyone else. a healthy dose of skepticism is understandable & warranted in most cases, but this "satire" with a healthy mix of sci-fi seems to have stepped over the line on a side note, it's people like these who aren't exactly helping the economy. scaring consumers by constantly reminding them how bad the times are will only drive the country into deeper depression. that's just my .02, though, take it or leave it. the night race was like a model year, not everything's going to be perfect. there's always going to be minor glitches to be worked out (although the whole lighting thing seemed like a bit of a fiasco) | ||
| Black |
I think Mr Metzler should look up the word "satire" as he clearly doesn't understand what it means. Nasty comments and insults aren't satire in themselves. They are just nasty comments and insults. Jonathan Swift once said, "Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own..." | ||
| Crackhead |
he is just scared shitless that an American bike can whoop japanizes butts. | ||
| Buell2001b |
lol, he must own a Honda and must be pissed the Buell finished better then the Honda. lol go buell | ||
| Xb984r |
"he is just scared shitless that an American bike can whoop japanizes butts." I think he sees it as most people who are not extreme fans of Buell motorcycles.Buell was given almost twice the displacement,no weight penalty for having a HP advantage.What do you expect? | ||
| Court |
>>>What do you expect? From those guys? . . . not much more. Good point. Frankly . . I think his "journalistic license" has lots more to do with being denied Buell media access years ago than any higher striving to "bring us the news". Sour grapes . . . well, always smell. The small mind is easily diverted. | ||
| Patrickmitchell |
The article is mean spirited and not productive. I'm happy to see Buell doing well at racing. How anyone could not take some level of pride in an American bike company succeeding, I'll never understand. As a Buell owner, it is that much more fun. We all should be excited to see a home grown product doing well, especially give the current state of affairs around the nation. Gripes about an unfair horsepower advantage: The AMA sets the rules, and Buell is playing by them. If it becomes clear that the 1125 has a huge advantage, I suspect that the rules will be modified accordingly. Time will tell. Let the whiners wine. We have seen one race this season. I think it is a little early to write the AMA off. Lets give them a chance and pass final judgment at the end of the year. Personally I don't like the direction the AMA is headed with racing. Rolling starts, suspect timing of the safety car to close up the field, strange/confusing management of lapped traffic (which contributed to a wreck), NASCAR like coverage of the event... This is not what I am after when I watch a motorcycle race. The juxtaposition of the first two WSBK events and the Daytona events, just makes the AMA's product look inferior. It has occurred to me that I may not be the target audience for DMG/AMA. If they make a NASCAR style event out of US racing, I'm out as a fan. NASCAR is an amazing marketing machine. From a business perspective, I marvel at what they have accomplished. They are a very successful enterprise with millions of fans (It will be interesting to watch how they manage the implosion of the US auto manufacturers). I'm just not one of them. Many of us who have been devoted to bike racing for years may be out of luck. Once again, time will tell. Buell's performance is probably the only reason I'm going to give the AMA events a few more chances. I'm even going to attend the NJMP event. I'm going to keep an open mind about the coverage and race formats. I'm hopeful that a bright bunch of people will find a way to incorporate existing fans while bringing in some new ones. Go Shawn GO!!! (Message edited by PatrickMitchell on March 11, 2009) | ||
| Court |
>>>Gripes about an unfair horsepower advantage: The AMA sets the rules, and Buell is playing by them. If it becomes clear that the 1125 has a huge advantage, I suspect that the rules will be modified accordingly. Time will tell. Let the winers wine. I agree. I'm old and recall going through all this as the AMA tried to keep Honda in the hunt with the XR-750 for "The Mile". I, again owing to my advancing years, find myself more taken with "do-ers" as opposed to "talkers" and "whiners". I suppose that's just me . . . | ||
| Jscott |
Wow Dean Adams has quite the hard-on for Buell... http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/090311kfc. htm http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Nov/081121fr.h tm | ||
| Xb984r |
Jscott,Adams has some very good points. | ||
| Sd26 |
Go back and find his reactions to the XBRR. Either way, it just drives Buell guys to check out his website. He's happy. | ||
| Patrickmitchell |
Court it is not just you. Participating in most activities, even at a low level, is a far more gratifying experience than watching/sniping from the sidelines. People willing to take risks, and who learn and improve from success and failure are far more interesting. Character is built this way. It seems to me that Buell is focused and is still making huge leaps forward. For those with a little patience and objectivity, it should be fun to watch. | ||
| Court |
>>>Wow Dean Adams has quite the hard-on for Buell... He has since 1994. I give him points for consistency. He's not much of a force in the moto media. | ||
| Patrickmitchell |
What is this guy's beef with Buell? I'm not a regular reader of Superbike Planet.. Did he not get a job at Buell or get turned away from a test ride? This guy is angry. (Message edited by PatrickMitchell on March 11, 2009) | ||
| D_adams |
I just wish to state for the record, that guy is NOT me. I love my 1125r.  | ||
| Buellracerx |
what D.A. fails to include in his harassing outcry against buells, the powers that be (DMG), & people of appreciable height (oh wait, that one wasn't in there, nvrmnd) is the hp/weight ratio difference between the buells & other bikes, rather than just the raw hp numbers. hp/weight does, after all, most accurately dictate performance on a track over other parameters. also, i'd like to see where he got those dyno numbers...suprising that the buell is pulling 146 from the rear wheel in stock form... although he doesn't even say which numbers are from the rear wheel, & which from the crank. maybe buell's was from the crank & honda's from the rear wheel, making the difference appear greater (creative journalism = professional lying/twisting of facts) also, he conveniently "forgets" to note how much longer the 600's can go w/o pitting, and how the 1125 sheds rear tires because of the weight/power. | ||
| 46champ |
Note: he doesn't seem to refer to the 1000cc Aprilia, 848 Ducati, 675 Triumph so it's not that someone gets a cc advantage just who gets it. | ||
| Elvis |
I'm really surprised he pulled out the old article because that article just illustrates his ignorance and prejudice. First he compares real, rear-wheel horsepower values for the 600's to crank HP values for the Buell then he completely ignores the fact that the money pumped into the 600's allows them to produce power FAR higher than stock. Reality is the highly refined Japanese bikes are putting down power that is very comparable to the twins. If he really understood racing and was really a journalist, he would explain that to people who don't understand that concept - rather than perpetuating ignorance. Based on his simple-minded approach, the 850 Ducatis should blow the 600's away. Ducati has an approximately 1 and a half displacement advantage combined with Ducati race experience. And the final proof of his ignorance is in the results. Now that we've actually seen the race, who is complaining about the Buells and other twins running away with it? Take away the pace-car problems, and that was a damn good race. It certainly wasn't made poorer racing because of the inclusion of diverse bikes. There is no way the Japanese control of the series will be broken until the mind-set of displacement, displacement, displacement is broken and until the Japanese control is broken, we will have boring, non-competitive racing. (Message edited by elvis on March 12, 2009) | ||
| Elvis |
. . . or . . . to put it in more simple terms: Anyone who thinks Ben Bostrom was riding a 105 HP bike is an idiot Dean Adams builds his argument on that idea. That leaves one of two possibilities: 1. Dean Adams is, himself, an idiot (possible). 2. Deam Adams is playing on the ignorance of his readers to put forth a highly flawed argument to try to help protect the status quo of a crap racing series (more likely). Either way, the bottom line is Roadracing World is the place to go if you want information on motorcycle racing. | ||
| 4cammer |
Only thing that Superbike Planet is good for are the vintage racing pics that they run from time to time. | ||
| Doerman |
Elvis, you are being too analytical. two conclusions. - Leave humorous writing to Douglas Adams - Dean Adams needs to be bitchslapped and run out on a rail | ||
| Xb984r |
Buellracer,the Buells got to run at 365 lbs,same as the 600's. Elvis,just how are the Japanese manufacturers spending all this money to get as much power as the Buell?Seems to me the rules make the bikes keep a lot of the stock internals?Nothing wrong with being a fan of Buell racing,but it is what it is. | ||
| Elvis |
XB, You can learn a lot in 20 years of engine development. They race, they learn, they replace weak links in the engine chain, and the net result is they can tune their engines much more precisely with much higher compressions and RPM's than the Buells. Of course the Buells have more room for improvement than the Japanese bikes and I wouldn't be surprised if, as the season progresses, they begin to outpower the 4's. If/when that happens DMG will restrict them to keep them in line. It's clear from the results that the top bikes were putting out something in the roughly 140 HP range. It would be physically impossible to hit the speeds Bostrom hit without a minimum of that kind of power. Unless you give a displacement advantage to triples and twins and other configurations, those alternate designs will never be able to break through the performance wall that has been established by the level of performance of the Japanese bikes, and until you break through that wall, you won't be able to develop the teams and bring in the sponsorship money required to compete at that level. At some point, Buell will be overly powerful with the displacement advantage they currently have (and I've already come out in support of a long term 850 cc limit for twins that would allow Buell to develop an 850 engine). But for now, Buell needs to get a foot in the door and thye'r not blowing people away, so I think the DMG has done a wise thing to get some variety into AMA racing. |
