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Tginnh
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 08:06 am: | 
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Ulyranger - that's whine, not wine. If you're going to insult someone, do it in a grammatically correct way so your opinion can be respected.
Rwven - forcing reciprocity for concealed permits on the states?
Have you considered your stance on this bill any further than the end of a barrel on a gun?
My guess is you are an anti-federalist, states rights, limited government kinda guy, correct?
Is limited government only a convenience to be trotted out when it suits a particular argument? |
Johnboy777
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 08:19 am: |
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""Ulyranger - that's whine, not wine. If you're going to insult someone, do it in a grammatically correct way so your opinion can be respected. ""
You're a cunning linguist Mr. Tginnh
EDIT:
Speaking of James Bond, Sir Thomas Sean Connery is still my favorite
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(Message edited by Johnboy777 on July 22, 2009) |
Tginnh
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 08:33 am: |
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That is correct. A bit personal, but correct!
I assume you are as well... |
Rwven
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 09:29 am: |
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Tginnh,
No, actually I did not. I am guilty of having a knee-jerk emotional response. Happens.... |
Shopguy10
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 09:47 am: |
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Anyone know where I can get an AR-15 scabbard for my Uly?  |
Treadmarks
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 02:36 pm: |
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If you're serious about carrying an AR rifle on your uly there are a few options:
Harley-Davidson XA style:
Or there is also the hard case and bar mount style, depending on the length of the rifle:
The box in, for a drag bag or soft case:
or you could just tough it out:
The big problem with using a scabbard on most standard AR style weapons is the front sight tower, which can be resolved by using one of these:
If you're not serious about carrying an AR rifle on your uly, then....nevermind.
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Treadmarks
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 02:47 pm: |
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Forgot,
I have used this lockable unit in customer vehicles back in the 90s and they worked pretty well. Not much protection but it will work with just about any optics.
I have some rifle holders somewhere around here. They are basically a but stock cradle that mounts to the floor and a handguard throw lever that mounts to the dash. May be able to adapt something like that.
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Johnboy777
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 03:18 pm: |
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I had a stainless Ruger 223 (Ranch model, IIRC) that was nice.
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Mnrider
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 03:46 pm: |
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My Kel-tec SU-16 .223 folds in half and goes with me on the ATV in the rack bag.
I'll get a Coyote one of these days. |
Johnboy777
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 05:42 pm: |
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Okay, okay... Roger Moore was pretty damn good too.
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Los5445
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 05:45 pm: |
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ALCON:
I found that an Uncle Mike's holster under my Belstaff jacket works well. The real problem should you ever need to "go to work," will be your gloves. They are all a little different. Keep the side zips open as far as they can so as to not restrict your movement.
BTW you should watch some of the training videos of the german Polizei on their bikes. They practice laying them down(at varying speeds) and using them as cover to shoot from. |
Johnboy777
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 05:56 pm: |
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And whats the deal with George Lazenby, - one friggin' movie, give me a break. It was so bad Connery had to come back
three years later and rescue the franchise.
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Tginnh
| | Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 06:48 am: |
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FYI, I heard on NPR this AM that there is a bill before Congress to mandate that concealed carry permits have reciprocity to all states, with each states CC laws applying to you when carrying there.
Good news!
This bill was shot down (pun intended) in the senate yesterday. |
Yankee_dog
| | Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 08:05 am: |
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speak for yourself.
yankee dog |
Ulyranger
| | Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 08:41 am: |
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"Ulyranger - that's whine, not wine. If you're going to insult someone, do it in a grammatically correct way so your opinion can be respected. " - Tinngh
Insult? Where exactly was the insult?
If insult was taken, I'd say someone protests a bit too much. I also think it's a bit disingenuous to complaint about content in threads such as this then participant in the same...........
Oh no, the level of my "respect" hovers firmly on my typing ability.........guess I'm screwed. |
Tginnh
| | Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 10:20 am: |
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Guilty as charged.
I do complain too much.
Regarding the concealed weapon bill that was defeated - I believe I'm speaking for all who claim to be advocates of states rights and limited federal government intervention. |
Mortarmanmike120
| | Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 04:40 pm: |
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I'm with ya Tg.
I'm all for concealed carry and the second amendment but believe that is a state issue. The feds forcing states to recognize out-of-state permits is no different. If you live in a state with easy gun carry laws good for you! But don't expect to be covered when you leave that state.
I'm glad that bill got shut down but I'm afraid it was for the wrong reasons. It got voted down because they were against the law NOT because they realized it would have been unconstitutional. Just like the second amendment has morphed to be about hunting. |
Coops53233
| | Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 05:40 pm: |
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Tg - CC reciprocity is not necessarily inconsistent with supporting states rights.
State's rights arguments are generally based on the idea that powers not explicitly granted to the federal government are reserved to the states (to the extent they do not infringe on individual rights protected by the Constitution). If you believe the 2nd Amdt protects a citizen's individual right to keep and bear arms, it is not inconsistent to say that governments, state or federal, cannot curtail this right.
So, it really boils down more to a question of what extent you believe the 2nd Amdt applies as an individual right, as opposed to a question of federal government's ability to undermine state rights.
If you believe the 2nd Amdt extends to an individual's right to carry, then no government, state or federal, has the authority to curtail this right. On the other hand, if you believe the 2nd Amdt does not protect an individual's right to carry a weapon, then states have the power to legislate accordingly, and as a corollary, individual state rights should be respected.
I'm not advocating a position. I'm simply saying that your position assumes that the 2nd Amdt does not guarantee a right to carry. There are other opinions on this issue. |
Tginnh
| | Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 07:33 pm: |
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Coops - thanks for the thoughtful response.
Your points are made well and taken, but I do disagree with them. I have read the 2nd amendment over and over again and could never make the leap that you posit.
The only thing I could ever conclude about the 2nd amendment has to do with the context in which it was written - keeping a well regulated militia for the security of the state. I have yet to hear or read advocates of unrestricted gun ownership, concealment, etc. refer to the 2nd amendment in the context for which it was written. The argument always jumps straight to "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms..." with a complete disregard for the preface to that part of the amendment.
There is nothing in the 2nd amendment that speaks to personal gun rights when the amendment is read in its full context. At least not that I can discern.
So, I suppose I agree with the later part of your second to last paragraph. I do not believe the 2nd amendment provides an unalienable right to possess, carry and transport any type of firearm in the country free of regulation and subject to the particular laws of a given state. |
Los5445
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 04:32 pm: |
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The second amendment does protect your right to own the firearm, carrying it in public however (licensing) or transporting, like the privilege to drive is a state issue. The problem arises from a weak presence from the federal courts (Supreme Court) in reigning in a state when it interferes with the ownership issue.
BTW, as spelled out in the "Federalist Papers" the "well regulated militia" as written refers to the american public and this was upheld by the SC. |
Madduck
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 06:09 pm: |
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If you think the states/feds have a problem against handguns, try and start up a militia. That will really get you some regulatory interest. Apparently they have an even bigger problem when gun owners organize and train.
Sort of hoping with a militia to be able to get tanks and big stuff. Seems not. |
Hdbobwithabuell
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 09:34 pm: |
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Why is everyone making the "defeated" concealed carry bill sound like it was a licensee for anyone, to carry, anywhere? It merely stated that if you have a valid concealed carry permit in your state (which by the way says that you are a law abiding citizen based on background checks) that you can carry in another state. It's not a free ticket for murderers, drug dealers and illegal gun traffickers.
"My wife doesn't have a concealed carry permit. I wish she would get it so we can start engaging in interstate crime!" WTF? |
Hdbobwithabuell
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 09:37 pm: |
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"I believe I'm speaking for all who claim to be advocates of states rights "
I'm all for State's rights until they violate the Constitution which was ratified by said states. |
Tginnh
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2009 - 07:32 am: |
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Los - do you know which federalist paper(s) you reference?
I'm currently reading a collection of anti-federalist and federalist papers, but have only read about 8-10 of the federalist papers.
I'd be very interested in reading the ones you note.
The point you make about "the public" being "the militia" is understood.
Ok, that's the beginning, we know the end, what about the middle?
What about "being necessary to the security of a free state?"
What's the contextual reference? |
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