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Dynarider
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The pre 99 bikes..aside from all the recalls were much better in the motor dept than the 99 & up were.

Also, was your motor really built by Buell or was it just bolted into a frame by them?
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually, ya got me there. It was built by those HD dudes over on Capital Drive.

Topeka, when I put the fancy-smancy heads on Barney popped the S-1 heads on the S-2. But other than that, it just kept on dragging my considerable ass through places like Weatherford, OK (while listneing to James Taylor) at 2:00AM so I could make it to John Wyckoof's in New Mexico from Atlanta by sunrise.

But, after reading the internet, I am SURE this Buell will leat me down someday, shower an entire state with hot oil and leave me standing on the road.

Will someone please tell me Buell...I don't think it got the memo.

Court
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A new high performance top end does not an engine make. The stock parts were doing fine. I sold them for a tidy sum on ebay. The bottom end is entirely stock. Nallin Racing didn't touch the rockerboxes either; they remain stock. Never had any engine problems with the prior two Buells either. Grand total, in over 52,000 miles on my Buells, no engine problems whatsoever.
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Nevco1
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did I miss something???

Other than Yamaha's super cruiser (forgot the model) burnout ad, I do not recall any motorcycle manufacturer featuring wheelies, stoppies and burnouts in their street bike ads. Lots of high speed cornering techniques but do not recall any hooligan stuff.

The hooligan (read: bike killing) maneuvers appear to be relegated to aftermarket and OEM manufacturers, moto-journalists and race/stunt/extreme sport riders.

All of which are trying to entice you into a spectrum of riding that the manufacturers really did not design the bikes for and do not consider normal usage especially from the perspective of their limited warranties and product liability perspectives.

Granted the hooligan stuff is fun, but all it does is cause premature failure and support the aftermarket.

Seriously, can someone direct me to a motorcycle manufacturers ad that shows the hooligan maneuvers other than the one I mentioned?
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Grndskpr
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am SURE this Buell will leat me down someday, shower an entire state with hot oil and leave me standing on the road.

Of course, when it needs to be rebuilt, or parts need to be replaced, will they be there???
narrow lids for an S3, oftered in 2002 no longer avaliable, what else is no longer avaliable, there seems to be a growing concern thaq parts are getting harder and harder to find
Roger
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Easyflier
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,

I think I've figured out why the foreign bikes are so cheap compared to a Buell.

1) Dealer doesn't need to pay for a service dept. since the bikes never have problems.

2) 0 warranty claims since their bikes are perfect and never break.

That has to cut down on overhead, and increase dealer profit margins.

The only thing I find puzzling is why they don't offer free warranty for life since it would never cost them anything. ;)
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Nevco1
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lifetime Warranty...LMAO

Did that once for a consumer durable product. So many disclaimers that it wasn't worth a pot to pee in but it did significantly increase market share.

Currently, you can get light bulbs with lifetime warranties. Another farce. Nobody save the receipts and packaging to make claim, even if they did remember about he warranty. Not to mention all long life light bulbs are the same. Only the price and packaging (longevity claims) change. What a scam!
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Daves
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nevco1,
Buell has used the smiley face burnout in their ads. Cool ad too!
Suddenly, smiley faces were turning up at good Buell dealerships all over. Ours is right in front of the front door!
Plus one at the service entrance and the other end of the parking lot. I think it should be part of the required signage, oh, that's right, some dealers don't even have that.

Ride to the edge!
Dave
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Dynarider
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill, Buell also used an ad showing an X1 doing a wheelie & they pay Craig Jones to promote the bikes. I dont see him being to gentle with them.
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Nevco1
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, I stand enlightened (read: corrected) on Buell. How about any other brands?
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Dynarider
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Look at the Honda ad for the Valkyrie that showed the bike powersliding thru dusty roads & hammering it real hard.

Several Honda ads show the bikes on race tracks..
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill:

Buell also, in a corporate departure never satisfactorily explained, produced a t-shirt in 1997 with my mutant quasi-brother doing a crossed up mondo wheelie.

It, like him, broke the mold....

Court
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Spiderman
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>mutant quasi-brother

LMAO
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes....Howard Kelly

The shirt was absolutelt too cool! Remind me, I'll post a pic some day.

Court
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Tripper
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The TV ad that ended with the smiley face was 25 seconds of wheel spinning smokey close ups. I was so proud of them. And running it on that silly football league was a stroke of genius cause only perverts would watch that (Hehateme for a linebackers name?!?!)

Court - reminder - post a pic of the t-shirt.



and write the damn book.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tripper...I'll have to dig the shirt out and photograph it. Here's one pic I found of the "brothers in black" as we stopped at an overlook headed into SanFran.

Court & Howie


The guy in the black is trouble....Rich Ray in the leathers is a nice guy caught in the middle of hooliganism.

By the way, the GSXR1000 ad from Europe where the guy went WFO with the puppy tied to the bike was kinda a funny ad to. I have the video of I can figure out how to post it.

Court
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Nevco1
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Slidin' a Valkerie in the dirt doesn't count as bike abuse...unless left the air cleaner off. LOL

Furthermore, mutant quasi brothers don't count either. Especially on T-shirts with bikes they created. May be braggin' rights but in reality not a corporate advertisement.

Additionally, in the event the mutant isn't whom I assume it is, it doesn't count at all as it would be classified under the racer/stunt/extreme sports category.

Any more examples of MC manufacturer hooligan ads???
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Dynarider
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Slidin' a Valkerie in the dirt doesn't count as bike abuse

The way that bike was being ridden i would classify it as such. Definately not taking it ez.

I will be on the lookout for other ads. Have to search the library downstairs when i get a chance.
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Ferris
Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 12:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court, you been postin' a lot of pix taken by yours truly...hmmmmm, looks like i need to send you some more pix!

that was a memorable day, trying (nearly in vain) to hang with you and Reg, totally naive as i was (then...) of what passes for normalcy on the California freeways, and later meeting up with first Howie (who can, at will, wheelie from stoplight to stoplight, thru several gears, UP the streets of San Francisco), and then welcoming Erik as he stepped off his plane in San Jose later that afternoon.

you should SEE the zits on the BLURR's fairing from the crap Erik roosted on me on that goat trail above Scotts Valley.

we were ALL mutants that day, as i fondly recall.

Erik, this is all YOUR fault y'know...

FB :)
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Court
Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 08:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FB..you are the one who took the picture in Scott's Valley, I was going nuts trying to find you in it.

The other one, with Howie and Rich as taken (I think) on another trip where I went to Dudley Perkins to visit with some Buell owners and take a look see at a special S-2 hiding in the San Fran area.

You also, as I recall, took the picture of the quite fabled "it shoulda worked" wheelie t-shirt. The good news is that the t-shirt has no changed hands of late (I attribute that to Erik and I both having passed the big 50) and that neither of us has been called in to be placed on "Double Secret Probation" for exceeding our "3 C.O.V.'s in a 12 month period" limit for trashed factory bikes. (Yes, I spent a 6 month period at a negotiated 2.5 bikes in a deal cut with Scott Miller)

Here's another shot from one of the San Fran trips....by the way...Howie "taught school" on one of the hills in Downtown San Fran with a 5 block wheelie through traffic and ending with a great right turn.

You do remember the "switching of the helmets" at the airport?

Court in San Francisco
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Ferris
Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 09:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FB..you are the one who took the picture in Scott's Valley, I was going nuts trying to find you in it.

yeah, i took that one, and the two b&w's above, too.

You also, as I recall, took the picture of the quite fabled "it shoulda worked" wheelie t-shirt.

yep, t'was me, outside of Denny's in Scotts Valley if memory serves. that was a grand weekend. :)

(Yes, I spent a 6 month period at a negotiated 2.5 bikes in a deal cut with Scott Miller)

hmmmm, might explain why you were so nervous that time during the first American Sportbike Festival when you came idling up at the lunch stop wearing a freshly road-grated 'Stich on a Cyclone with, um, several important appendages hanging askew, eh? ;)

You do remember the "switching of the helmets" at the airport?

how could i forget! it's a great story, remind me to tell it to you sometime...

Buell motorcycles and the people who ride them are the best, and i can PROVE it!

FB :)
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99cyclone
Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

think it should be part of the required signage, oh, that's right, some dealers don't even have that.

Perfect example: Zylstra HD in Ames. Went there yesterday to get the Tshirt stamp. No sign out front, no Buell accessories, no Buell clothing (tshirts, jackets, anything), no product literature, and two bikes tucked away in the corner where the 'real bikers' wouldn't have to look at them. I showed up wearing a Buell sweatshirt (from Waterloo by the way), and had to stand around for 20 minutes before anyone would even talk to me. We'll see if I ever buy anything from them
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Nevco1
Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dyna...Slidin' that Valkerie on the loose surface they showed in the ads and commercial is no trick. Hell, you run your wide glide harder than that, same goes for me and mine. It just looks cool kickin' up the dust.

The only advantage the Valkerie has is wide bars and mid set pegs. Makes it easier to lower the C/G and still have full control. If it weren't for premature belt failure, Buell's as well as some Sporties and Dyna's can do that easily without having to pay much attention.

Ran offroad and on roads under construction (read: deep dirt and gravel) quite a bit with the X1 until I learned via the BWB what I was doing to the belt. Must have been lucky as I didn't mess the belt up. Wider/taller bars, chain drive and a skid plate would be the only mods desired for most offroad applications.
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Tripper
Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd like to meet the BMW 1200C owner that takes off across the desert. Or the GS1100 owner that jumps his bike into the river to "wash" it. Cool photography though!

Oh well, we better get this topic back to items the BUELL factory should see, before Blake finds us here.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, November 03, 2003 - 02:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Trip. :)
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Nevco1
Posted on Monday, November 03, 2003 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Agreed. Apologize for the advertising digression.
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Kaudette
Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 07:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BigDaddy,

Thanks for the help / info - I'm about 1 hour south of Geneva so Germany would be a pretty long trip. I've got the shop manual and will be looking to do most of the work myself - the only issue is that with the new 2 year warranty on the XB's, you have to bring them in for the oil changes and checkup or warranty is invalid (really a catch 22)...

thanks again!
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Anonymous
Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Kaudette: Show me in your warranty statement (in your owner's manual) where it says "you have to bring them in for the oil changes and checkup or warranty is invalid (really a catch 22)..."

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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court <<waving hand wildly in back of class>

I know the answer sir....IT DOESN'T! That's an "inaccurate statement".

In fact, in the United States of America that would violate consumer protection laws!

Zat right?

Court
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Bud
Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court ???

Is a big-bore gonna invalid my warranty






Just yanking your chain


btw. how's about the T-shirt thing, you have asked me ???

gr, martin
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