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Bomber
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Once again, I turn to the community for assistance with a thorny (for me, anyways) problem –

I’ve installed a set of forks from a 97 S3 (mechanical speedometer type) on my 2000 M2 . . .

The question is, which spacers (in-wheel and outside the wheel) should I be using?

I’ve presently got the wheel from the 97 S3 installed, with out-side spacers from a 2000 S3 (to allow for the absence of the speedo drive) . . . I installed everything kinda loosely, clamped the brake down to make sure the disk was centered in the caliper, and them tighten the axle (50 lb ft) and axle pinch bolts (13 lb ft) to spec -- every thing seems to line up OK, the wheel spins nicely, but when I turn (especially to the right) I get that howling that is a signal of bearing failure in the near future –

Little help, fellers?
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Buelliedan
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 08:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There is a different sized spacer used on the speedo side. I am pretty sure I have one I can sell you for cheap. Shoot me an e-mail.

ddun@satx.rr.com
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Tramp
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

and, spacer r&r or not, it's likely a great time to change your whl. bearings

(Message edited by tramp on June 27, 2005)
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Bomber
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dan -- emails bouncing from your addy -- I'm at spokes10@aol.com -- will I need the speedo drive instaleld just as a spacer? I can pick one up, if necessary, but would rather not have it if not needed (one less part, doncha know)

thanks a million!
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Road_thing
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bomber, if you want, I can measure the one on my S2 and send you the dimensions. I'm sure a metal butcher of your caliber could spin one out in a trice or two.

rt

...happy birthday to me...
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Bomber
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thang -- Hippy Birdies to YOU, brother -- and a sincere wish for as many more as you'd like!

I'm not certain the spaces on your scoot will be the same as on a 97 S3 (though I thank you for the offer!)

the things seem fairly simple, til you realize they rest on the wheel bearings, and,apparently, also, on the spacer tube thingie inside the wheel -- I tried spinning up some spacers on the 1914 Dalton lathe, and though they SEEMED to sit, given the complexity of the situation (and holding the dimensions), I'm a little leery -- that, combined with the fact that testing seems to destroy wheel bearings . . . . . ;-}

don't tear your scoot down to measure -- I'm sure there's an available combo of parts that'll have me happily wearing out the bearings the RIGHT way -- it may, however, involve my grabbing a speedo drive and stock spacers . . . . .
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Davefl
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Will the spacer that came with your M2 not work.. I have WP forks from a S1 and I used the spacers from my 99 M2 with no trouble.
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Bomber
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

same bearing howling w/stock spacers, Dave -- could be I just got bad bearings . . . .
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Could it be that the spacer is spinning against the fork leg and making that sound?
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Bomber
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, a happy-ish ending to the mechanical adventure -- everything seems to be workin just fine, no howling, disk centered in the caliper, and like that

only thing is, I have no idea why -- I removed the wheel again, checked the bearings and internal spacer as best I could with em installed in the wheel (the looks fine, no nick or gouges in the spacer), checked the external spacers, alos fine, bolted everything back up, and, Hey Presto!

I'm not silly enough to shake my fist at the sky and demand the problem return to I can fix it, but I'd sure like to know what operator headspace issue caused it, so I can avoid repeatring this particualr mistake in the future . . .

anywho, thanks, all, for your advice, offers of help and parts, and for listenin ;-}
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 09:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

At the bicycle shop I've managed to fix quite a few problems just by taking something apart and putting it back together again without really fixing anything. Whatever works and keeps the customer happy, and when you're both the mechanic and the customer that goes doubly true.
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Road_thing
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bomber, you've got the Magic Touch!
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Bomber
Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

nah, I'm jsut stubborn --

Mike's right, everyone should be pleased, but I'm still mumblin about not understanding the failure mode -- ah well, it's June, it's sunny, I'm ridin', I should be smilin

;-}
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