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BadS1
Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That 89 Gsxr differs from mine Dyna mine was the slingshot,inverted forks.I bought the bike from Don & Roys back in 93.It was the red/white/black model.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dana, I did find 1 pic of a supposed 89 slingshot..named after the type of carbs on the bike.
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

FunnyIronic? how the main reason I quit Suzuki was the poor dealership support.

Edit: I'm so glad of that as I love my Buell way more than any of my Suzis.

(Message edited by glitch on August 03, 2004)
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BadS1
Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 09:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dyna your right but on the button thats the bike,minus that paint job.The carbs was why it was called that but it had some other differences also and the forks was one.Remember in 86 when the GSXR'S came out the 750 was offered in two versions then also as in 86 you could get the limited edition with a dry clutch in it.Suzuki seemed to always do some different stuff with the 750 model for some reason for the public.
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Rocketman
Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 11:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Suzuki seemed to always do some different stuff with the 750 model for some reason for the public.

That's because back then 750 was the racing class.

Rocket
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So what you are saying is that the photo I posted does not tell the whole story? Yep, you'd be correct.

Sorry, I still believe Dave Gess, Erik Buell and all the motorcycle magazines that ran Dave's press release stating that the Buell had the first production motorcycle to utilize inverted forks. From where I sit, your fantasy "home run" flies foul.
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Dcmortalcoil
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 01:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In 1984, KTM had the USD fork - this is not a production bike?

See http://www.ktm495.mxbikes.com/identify.htm
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 04:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>I still believe Dave Gess, Erik Buell and all the motorcycle magazines

Duh

This is strictly a PERSONAL thing, but if Dave Gess says it, in my book, it's so. If Dave has misspoke he would have said so promptly.

My bet is, that like many of the items we've discussed, there were examples of other folks' work who were struggling to bring a good idea to market.

Buell was just first.

"Concept to Commercial"

Court
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 05:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake & Court, re-read Daves post. I checked, the 1991 Buell RS 1200-5 was the USD fork bike. It was released for sale to the public in about July or August of 1990. There may even have been a bike or two delivered in June with USD forks and a 4 speed motor.

I don't know when the Suzuki was available. If some one has for sale dates for the Suzuki I would love to have them. Don't want to be making incorrect claims.


He even states it was indeed the 91 RSS that had them, and by his last line he is even doubting himself now.

I presented the facts & will let them stand by themselves. Not 1 shred of evidence has been presented that would show otherwise.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 07:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

dang yall still arguing over this bs still grow up who cares
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 08:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Get used to it, we're energizer bunnies!
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Bomber
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

no horses are ever allowed to RIP here!
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Beats the hell outta that war topic.

Still waiting on a couple rebuttals also.
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Davegess
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I really don't know the story on Suzuki. The KTM was production but not a street bike.

In looking over two actual magazine reviews on the RS 5 speed as opposed to just reprints of the press release (which I can't actually find at the moment) neither says anything about first USD forks.

I could be wrong, my brain is old and in serious disrepair. Don't really care as Buell are still cool. do want to get history correct, I think that is called revisionism.

Anyone have any magazine reprints on the Suzuki?
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Don't really care as Buell are still cool.
I'm with you there!

As far as history goes, I had a real hard time finding ANYTHING on either bike.

Buell history isn't published on the web very completely. That's where I started.
Suzuki is almost nonexistent.

The website I posted was all I could find that put a bike with a date, so it's a good thing I needed only a picture.
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Whosyodaddy
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

just to clarify... When I started this thread, I wasn't meaning to imply that Yamaha had infringed on any Buell patents or to even start a discussion regarding patents. I was just noting how similar (and cool) looking the Yammy was.

WYD
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just like a good conversation, a good thread rarely stays "on topic"...
We just have to be careful not to lose good information buy burying it in good conversation.
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Rocketman
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh well, just for kicks, I'll jump in too!!

As already stated, KTM were the first to put USD forks on a production motorcycle, circa 1986, modern interpretation of USD forks accepted. Of course, unlike Buells offering, the KTM's in question were not street bikes. KTM used Dutch firm WP (White Power) USD forks, WP credited for the invention of the modern USD fork. Incidentally, I believe KTM now own WP but please don't quote me. After KTM, Husqvarna and Cagiva quickly followed suit on some of their off road bikes.

In 1989 Yamaha had USD forks on their TY125 and 250 models. Kawasaki's KX500 of 1990 also had them. Notice a pattern?

If Buell got there in 1990 or there abouts, even if Suzuki used USD forks previously, that wouldn't surprise me. Around that time Suzuki were the top dogs, their GSX R range well ahead of the field. Not so Buell. Weren't they hand building motorcycles through the night in a wooden shed somewhere in IL. That's impressive, but more to the point, it's about the motorcycle itself and for such a motorcycle as Buell was in 1990 or so, that had to be a fantastic step for the customer as well as the product itself.

Rocket
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Rocket, didn't Ducati start putting USD forks on bikes in the late 80's also? Like 88 or 89? I know the supermono came with them in 93...yup, the Ducati 851 came with USD forks. http://www.ducati.com/heritage/museum.jhtml;$sessionid$GDK2RPIAADWMCCRNBQRCFFIKF UGCEIV4?model=80851sbk (hint look at the pic)
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't think those are USD.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So who is going to go back & rewrite those press releases that claimed Buell was first to use them?
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What makes USD?
Does it mean only that the smaller end goes into the larger end, with the smaller end on the bottom end?
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Dcmortalcoil
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Buell RS1200-5 was the first production bike sold in the world with USD forks as we know them - That is what we are trying to prove/disprove. There was no qualification that only the street production bike was involved. Perhaps we should add two more qualifications to the original statement to make it accurate: Buell was the first US production bike sold in the [world]US with USD forks. We all would agree to this statement. Right?
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We all would agree to this statement.
The statement in question is the press release Dave Gess wrote originally.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The statement in question is the press release Dave Gess wrote originally.

Which as we now realize was inaccurate. They didnt miss it by a lot tho to be the first street bike with them, 6 months or so.

Buell was the first US production bike sold in the [world]US with USD forks. We all would agree to this statement. Right?

We could always further qualify it be stating that Buell was the first bike produced in the USA with a V-twin engine that was produced by HD to have usd forks: D
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Davegess
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>The statement in question is the press release Dave Gess wrote originally.>

Heck Dyna, until I find the dam thing I am not even sure what I wrote; )
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

LOL...
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It would be safe to say that Buell was the first American Made production bike to utilise USD forks.
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Johncr250
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That statement is still wrong!

ATK has been manufacturing motorcycles (motocross, enduro, and on/off road) in the USA since 1970 and also used WP White Power USD Fork on its models way before 1990, 1987 to be exact.

I happen to own one.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

...American made production street bike...: b
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