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Reepicheep
| Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 12:02 pm: |
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Jscott... looks good, but you probably ought to tweak it a little to account for number and type of valve arrangement. A 1200 cc 4 valve desmo would be WAY different then a 1200 cc 2 valve pushrod. |
Jscott
| Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 12:09 pm: |
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Reepicheep, I think SuperSport should stay with stock displacement anyway - so outside of the Ducati 749 getting in, the Ducati 1000ss would have to stay 1000cc - Good point though. |
Elvis
| Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 04:06 pm: |
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"(three - if they'd just come out with that watercooled square four)" Wouldn't that be great? I know it will probably never happen, but the thought of a modern, light-weight, compact, four-stroke, woter-cooled, rev-happy square four in that little frame just gives me such a grin. Talk about "Different in Every Sense". |
Jscott
| Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 07:08 pm: |
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I've heard it here several times from sources that have alot more knowledge on the subject than I, that the square four is a pipe dream - but it would be a great homage to the original Buell. Hey there's also that Nova v4 engine collecting dust at HD. Dreaming - ain't it grand. |
Jssport
| Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 11:17 am: |
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Blake asked where I got this info.... http://www.amasuperbike.com/newind.htm look at 4/22/03, new 2004 rules |
Benm2
| Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 12:17 pm: |
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How bout these: Superbike: 200hp, 370lb Supersport: 130hp, 350lb Superstock: as is. let it die the death it deserves. FX: street-fuel, 380lb, normally aspirated, two wheels. Must resemble motorcycle. |
Blake
| Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 02:19 pm: |
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RRW put it up yesterday too. Thanks. |
Mark_In_Ireland
| Posted on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 11:48 am: |
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How the hell does a 636cc ZX6R beat a slew of GSXR750's ......I suppose its similar to the likes of Bob Newby and Bob Heath over here on 500cc Classic single putting out 50hp beating 750 Tridents who have about 90hp. I think riding ability is the main factor, plus superior handling and really fast cornering speeds! Something I have an abundance of.......not! :-) Although I'd take ole Troll for a spin round the IOM TT course and have a cup of tea bought from the prom cafe for when he finishes the lap, thinking about it I'd leave the Buell at home and take my trusty 850 Norton to really make it interesting. I bet he doesn't turn up....... :-) |
Anonymous
| Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 12:26 am: |
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How does the 636 beat the 750s? Simple, it's the only factory bike in the class. The rider is a full time paid professional with tons of free riding time on factory test days. The tuners are full time professionals. And the bike will be so far from stock it's ridiculous. Someone I know at one time opened up a Marchesini box at Daytona, picked up at the track in a last minute shipment from Roberto. He hadn't checked the label on the box, because there were several wheel boxes bundled together. Lo and behold, when he pulled it out of the box, it was a duplicate of a Honda 600F4 wheel, with all the Honda and DOT markings on it, but in magnesium. Knowing that you never win in a situation like this, he put it back in the box, and took it back to the Daytona front office where he had picked it up. Yeah, stock class...just like Smokey Yunick... |
Marriedabuell
| Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 12:45 am: |
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There was more than one factory rider in that race at Daytona. |
Jscott
| Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 08:10 pm: |
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Looks like Kawasaki has gotten their weewee spanked by the AMA for SuperStock rules violation. http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=5975 |
Blake
| Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 12:35 am: |
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I knew it. Thanks for posting the link JScott. Even more interesting is the relatively light penalty handed down. AMAPR executives apparently really savor the taste of Kawasaki factory genitalia. |
Blake
| Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 12:42 am: |
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Hayden should have been disqualified. Anything less is a sham. Machining the heads is a HUGE no-no. |
Jssport
| Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 01:45 pm: |
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Buit they took 20 points and $2000 from T Hayden, That's a dent. Did you see Meiring's heads were judged OK, I wonder what he's thinking. "Why did they give this advantage to Tommy and not me" |
Jscott
| Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 02:01 pm: |
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Kawasaki's version of the penalty situation http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=5976 |
Racerx1
| Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 02:03 pm: |
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I'm still not buying that Kawasaki's advantage is due to cheating....this year its legal to machine the cylinder head for compression. The Kaw team manager said they were penalized for a de-burring operation. I predict hayden will continue to win races on that thing, and I'm sure it will be 100% legal! |
Mikej
| Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 02:14 pm: |
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"What’s happened is our guy there has de-burred around the valve pockets, and they’re basically saying it’s against the rules and we can’t de-burr -- something everybody does, break off sharp edges.”" "We’re not looking at a performance gain. It’s a practice that everybody does. " At what point does a deburring action become a machining action, at what point is a burr removed and at what point is a new intended contour evolve? Or, to resurrect an old argument, when does a spotface become a counterbore? Just to put it in a different context.
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Blake
| Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 03:35 pm: |
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"Deburring" ya, right. They got busted. Simple as that. Whether Tommy continues to win is another matter. I still don't see how a 636cc bike can possibly hang with 750cc bikes of the same configuration. And we are talking about the most powerful 750cc street machine ever built. Just doesn't make sense. Tommy isn't that much better than the competition. I guess we'll see.
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Crusty
| Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 07:09 pm: |
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In 1977, Kawasaki came out with a 650 that kicked all the 750s butts. History has a way of repeating itself. |
Blake
| Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 03:51 am: |
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Crusty, There is nothing revolutionary about the ZX6R's 636cc engine. We have seen it's dyno numbers. In stock form it isn't anywhere close to approaching the power of a stock GSXR750. It just doesn't make sense to me. I've been wrong before, will be again. |
Racerx1
| Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 03:24 pm: |
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Blake, whats going on in atlanta!!!! 5 of the top ten superstock bikes are 600's? 600's are 1-2 in superstock practice? The top 4 600's in supersport are faster than the fastest GSXR750 in superstock??? everybody must be de-burring their heads now (just giving you a hard time buddy!) |
Blake
| Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 05:21 pm: |
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I guess my own head could use de-burring! I'll be routing for John Haner, OHR track record holder and CMRA buddy, running a GSXR750. Either that or it is finally happening... the end of the world, and the laws of physics are being turned on their head. QUICK!!! Enter a stock XB9R in Superbike! |
Blake
| Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 10:18 pm: |
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Where'd all those chickens get to? Superstock Qualifying Results:Qual/Racer | Bike | Lap Time | 1. Josh Hayes | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:26.760 | 2. Tommy Hayden | Kawasaki ZX-6R | 1:26.913 | 3. Adam Fergusson | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:26.973 | 4. Jason DiSalvo | Yamaha YZF-R6 | 1:27.017 | 5. Vincent Haskovec | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:27.086 | 6. Chris Caylor | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:27.163 | 7. John Haner | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:27.174 | 8. Brian Stokes | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:27.213 | 9. Jimmy Moore | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:27.475 | 10. Mike Smith | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:27.553 | 11. Mike Ciccotto | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:27.572 | 12. Eric Wood | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:27.580 | 13. Jordan Szoke | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:27.585 | 14. Chris Ulrich | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:27.797 | 15. Matt Furtek | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:27.946 | 16. Greg Moore | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:28.164 | 17. John Dugan | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:28.449 | 18. Tony Meiring | Kawasaki ZX-6R | 1:28.461 | 19. Lee Acree | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:28.764 | 20. Jamie Stauffer | Suzuki GSX-R600 | 1:29.198 | 21. Jason Peters | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:29.425 | 22. Rich Conicellli | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:29.642 | 23. Matt Wait | Yamaha YZF-R6 | 1:29.703 | 24. Jake Holden | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:29.788 | 25. Ty Howard | Honda CBR600RR | 1:30.189 | 26. J.J. Roetlin | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:30.696 | 27. Hawk Mazzotta | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:30.962 | 28. Chuck Ivey | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:31.143 | 29. Kevin Pate | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:31.672 | 30. Tom Wertman | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:31.988 | 31. Darren Luck | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:31.990 | 32. Thad Halsmer | Yamaha YZF-R6 | 1:32.020 | 33. Arash Hoshmandy | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:32.167 | 34. Jeff Muskopf | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:32.327 | 35. Heath Small | Yamaha YZF-R6 | 1:32.539 | 36. John McGarity | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:32.639 | 37. William Johnson | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:33.013 | 38. Nathan Hester | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:33.208 | 39. Douglas Rose | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:34.004 | 40. Mike Scruggs | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:34.210 | 41. Joseph Ford | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:34.585 | 42. David Bell | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:35.100 | 43. Chris Greer | Yamaha YZF-R6 | 1:35.386 | 44. Robert Hilliard | Yamaha YZF-R6 | 1:35.515 | 45. Michael Kosta | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:35.733 | 46. Darrin Mitchell | Suzuki GSx-R600 | 1:36.004 | 47. R. Todd Keesee | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:37.374 | 48. David Lambert | Suzuki GSX-R600 | 1:37.427 | 49. Stacy Summers | Kawasaki 600 | 1:37.650 | 50. James Kerker | Honda CBR600 | 1:39.809 | 51. Jessica Zalusky | Suzuki GSX-R750 | 1:44.233 | Notice anything special about the last place qualifier. |
Racerx1
| Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2003 - 05:01 pm: |
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Give my congrats to mr Haner Blake! he did a nice job out there....also saw him for a couple of seconds during the superbike race....I'm not a big Mladin fan, but he definately had the save of the day/year! Good to see Josh Hayes win one.....Road Atlanta is his home track. Whats the deal with him not running superbike after qualifying on the 2nd row? The TV said the team didn't have enough tires to support their bikes in all the classes. My bold prediction is Hayden will win Mid O. and Laguna and will at least get 2nd if not 1st at Pikes peak.... Jessica Z......she's some skater/snowboarder that decided to go road racing. Was on a Nash prepared 748 last year in pro thunder...and thats about all I'm saying on that one! |