| Author | Message | ||
     Barker |
Check out this poll: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/getVote.jsp?pn=buel l0321 | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Too bad there wasn't a real choice of "It's just a win and nothing to get your panties in a bunch over." Typical. | ||
| Greenlantern |
Well according to my poll, every 2 out of 3 people asked think Superbike Planet isn't worth the pixels it's displayed on. Sources: Wife, 5 year old son and 2 year old son( he kept pointing at a box of cookies.)  | ||
| Paw |
1200cc's I thought the R was 1125cc's. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I do believe the XBRR race bike produces slightly more horsepower than the 1125R but I dont recall anyone bitching about the XBRR competing against 600's. I guess it's only when a Buell wins that it's unfair. | ||
| Doughnut |
+1 the box of cookies. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
1200cc's I thought the R was 1125cc's. It was a sarcastic title. They need this:  It works great on sand. | ||
| Brumbear |
everyone just keep voting it as epic and poll the arsewipes poll to kingdom come | ||
| Bartimus |
"everyone just keep voting it as epic and poll the arsewipes poll to kingdom come" I second the motion | ||
| Bill0351 |
I voted "epic." Besides, the 600s are allowed two more cylinders and 8 more valves than the Buell has. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Not to mention DECADES of racing experience. We're talking about a clean slate motor with two model years under its belt. Damn people get pissy when you mess with their fiefdom. Wouldn't want an IL4 owner to have to rethink their purchase decision. | ||
| Slamber777 |
Well, that's quite the set up. There are no real choices for intelligent thinking objective readers. Just choices for those looking for a pre-determined outcome. What a bunch of cry babies! l can't help but laugh. lt's drivel. (Message edited by slamber777 on April 08, 2009) | ||
| Seanp |
Too bad there's no contact information on the site. What a joke. I went on a group ride with some Triumph guys this morning, and they were talking about Eslick's win. They were saying pretty much the same things about the Buell until I piped up and defended the Buell as deserving the win. But it's kind of hard when there's almost a 2:1 displacement advantage, (even though we're talking a twin versus a 4). What exactly is the horsepower differential? And what's the best argument to use against someone ragging on the Buell? | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
Sory I agree,sad pathetic joke! Thats the new AMA/DMG. The dumbest class in all of Pro racing. | ||
| Dragonslayer |
For the Buell bashers: "Cry me a river rice bitches!!!" | ||
| Madduck |
You aren't going to get anywhere with this argument. Sort of like being the one to explain how ugly a baby is to the doting parents. No good will come of either. You might want to ask if any of them have ever raced themselvs or even attended. First hand experience is always more valuable. | ||
| Seanp |
Actually, a couple of them were at Daytona, so they saw the duck tape scene live... | ||
| Anonymous |
Tell your buddies to find the facts. The class is about riders and teams, not specs. The Buells in that class are set up simply to be competitive at low cost for privateers against works 600 factory bikes and Ducati 848s and 1000cc Aprilias. Untouched stock motors in the 1125's. Also, the split times show the Buell is fastest in the corners at Fontana, not the straights, so it's the handling and Danny that won. Different tracks may have different results. Certain tracks favor certain riders and bikes. As far as being a big twin being the advantage, so far the best Aprilia finish has been 6th, with a reknowned international rider. The best other Buell was 12th. The class is fair and it's fun to watch. There's lots more in the motor, we simply aren't going to use any of it in the class. 6 brands in the top 8 and a photo finish in the second race. Yeah, really bad racing, Dannyjesternut... (Message edited by ft_bstrd on March 30, 2009) | ||
| M2nc |
I would bring to light the fact that the Daytona 675 is very limited in race choices until DMG came along with the "Sport Bike" class. Several manufacturers have thrown conventional racing series limits out the window and just built a sport bike. Triumph with the Daytona, Buell with the 1125R, Ducati with the 848 are all examples of manufacturers just making a good street bike. Then comes DMG trying to add some excitement back into American motorcycle racing and they develop a class that these great street bikes can race together. Stock big twins, a triple and then all the hi-tech 600s with years of racing experience. I would finish that the Triumph teams posted how they did at Daytona and they said they had suspension problems that were slowing them down. But they also claimed one of the fastest trap speeds during the race and claim 125rwhp. The Daytona is a great package that with development over the year can be competitive. Something only DMG is giving them the chance to do. | ||
| Court |
>>>The dumbest class in all of Pro racing. And you watched it, right?  BUELL WON | ||
| Ratbuell |
Isn't it spelled "Isle of Mann"? Great poll...can't even spell their questions, nevermind the 1200cc 1125, LOL. | ||
| Mnbueller |
So I don't follow motorcycle racing, but here is my question. Why do they but the 1125R in with 600cc bikes? What does the AMA use to put bikes into groups? HP? I'm use to auto racing where they usually put equal size CC engines together...so I just want some clarification on the 'fairness' of the whole deal. | ||
| Brumbear |
Hp would be the thing to look at keep it to within 50 and they all should have a chance theoretically of course. The I4 are much more effiecent when spooled up or high revs the twins are the opposite the motors are pretty equal in horse power the 1125R 146h'p the 600 is around 120 to 130 depending on which the triumph has 126 so they are all quite close in horsepower actually. I can hang and even beat 600's in the turns with my 1200 hd motor turning a 103bhp they just overtake me in the straights and lets not forget I am 280 lbs with 35 pounds of gear so 20 hp isn't very much | ||
| Greenlantern |
Why do they but the 1125R in with 600cc bikes? What does the AMA use to put bikes into groups? HP? A lot of people keep thinking of it still as a 600 class though in reality it is now truly a middleweight class. As such the eligible motorcycles are handicapped according to what the sanctioning body considers parity for all players. This starts with class wide rules (spec tires, limited mods, stock suspension builds and such) then narrows down to the bike type handicaps( heavier minimum weights for triples, twins to compensate for larger displacement of engines which they require to put out comparable hp.) and then tweaked down to the individual brands for things that may put that machine at a disadvantage vs the other players. These usually come in the form of exemption/ addendum notices to the master class rules issued during the course of the season. This is nothing new to either the sport or AMA racing in particular and has been practiced in some shape or form since a lot of us have been watching racing. The DMG has just taken this approach to be the rule instead of the exception as in seasons past in the interest of parity in the classes . I for one agree with the approach wholeheartedly. One would not expect this approach to be executed perfectly the first time around as few things ever are, but only time and the accompanying data race results provide can tell for sure. As the season progresses, you can be sure allowances will be made to further tweak and perfect the parity already introduced to further the cause of making these classes "anyones horse race" , which it really is about. So far as i see it and it is only my opinion, The DMG has gotten this thing pretty well sorted out the first time (machine wise anyway). To all the naysayers I direct, take the time to do your homework before spouting off in twenty directions something you "heard" whether that information comes from here or elsewhere and at least have the patience to see a "real problem" develop before prescribing armchair remedies (we are only 2 rounds in at this point). Most of all, watch, support and ENJOY the racing. This looks to be the beginning of the resurgence of American road racing, but only if we help see it thru.  | ||
| Blake |
"I'm use to auto racing where they usually put equal size CC engines together......so I just want some clarification on the 'fairness' of the whole deal." The top four finishers at Daytona were all on 600cc IL4 machines. Seem fair enough? Danny had been mixing it up and even led some laps, but his 1125R had no speed advantage whatsoever down the straights and was passed with ease from the draft multiple times. The factory 600's are lighter weight by 30 LBs or so and MAYBE down about 10 HP. The 600;s are allowed to work over their engine mechanicals for optimum performance, such as cam timing and compression ratio. The Buell engines are box stock mechanically. Originally the sanctioning body AMA Pro Racing run by DMG intented that the class be HP limited. The Japan Inc factories did not want the class to be HP limited, they pitched a fit over the idea as originally intended. They have no leg to stand on complaining about it now. The trap speeds and lap splits have proven that the bikes that are racing are enjoying good parity. The big Buell actually garnering better splits through the twisty stuff. | ||
| Paw |
People bitch a whine about the Buell making more power. What they do not see is it's top end speed is right with the 600's...I don't think it is fair the 600 are allowed to rev up to 16,000 rpm...If not for the high revs the RICE would never get up to speed...It is very tough to get a V-twin to match the speed of the high reving in-lines (Ducati is a rae exception to that)...and that is where the torque comes into play...Why is it only the little 600 babies cry it's not fair...I don't here the liter bikes complain Ducati has an unfair advantage with the 1198. You whining little Bitaches...It's only one win. You got your a$$es handed to you deal with it and ride better next time or switch to Buell.  | ||
| Bill0351 |
The fact that there is some sort of controversy means that people are watching. That can't be bad for the sport of motorcycling. Plus, on the street, the fastest bike wins no matter what "rules" it plays by. Since Buell just won this race, it can't be bad for Buell. When you play by the rules and you win, it's called victory. There isn't any other word for it. Even if you didn't give two s***s about Buell, it's very cool to see an American company winning against international competition. If they continue to win, I hope more and more Americans will watch. | ||
| Xl1200r |
When you play by the rules and you win, it's called victory. There isn't any other word for it. Right-O. Sort of like how Ford spanked all the Ferraris in the Le Mans races back in the day because no one seemed to notice the lack of a displacement limit. | ||
| Ourdee |
The guy that places second every race is called a "good ole boy", Place 1st every race, well, welcome to "Team SOB". The looser seems to be the first one to throw a punch. I just take it as confirmation that you won. Sorry, Greenlantern, I gotta say it; If there is a disparity found in the bikes racing together, "MY" suggestion is don't punish the BUELL, tell the I4s to make their bikes handle better. | ||
| Greenlantern |
Sorry, Greenlantern, I gotta say it; If there is a disparity found in the bikes racing together, "MY" suggestion is don't punish the BUELL, tell the I4s to make their bikes handle better. My gut feelings could not agree with you more! The other Riders/manufacturers should be careful what they ask for. I wonder what the excuse will be when one of the I4's take the top podium spot? Will they stick to their guns and chalk it up to dumb luck? Or will they chalk it up to their skill and machine and put this CRAP TO BED? Decisions, decisions what will they ever do......?  |
