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Barker
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is from Honda Thailand, where they sell more bikes than in the US. This and another new scoot are the first to use a new fuel-injection system. Retail, in Thailand, is about $1100 USD.

Honda CZ-i110



"As the flagship new product, 110 cc 4-stroke CZ-i certainly appears to have benefited from the new system, and when tested under strict ECE 40 conditions, delivers staggering the fuel economy figure of 57 km/liter (that’s 161 miles per imperial gallon), an 18% fuel saving over the previous 100 cc model. Does metering out the fuel in a miserly fashion lead to a gutless engine though? Not at all, with a significant increase in torque across the range and an improvement in peak torque of 25%. All that, and it can even run E20 fuel (a 20 percent ethanol blend). Emissions wise, it comes in at one fifth of Level 5 Standards and half Level 6. In order to overcome any fears of overly complex technology in this emerging market, the PGM-FI system and all its components (fuel injection, accelerating pump, ECU, throttle body, throttle position sensor, fuel vapor temperature sensor and O2 sensor) are being sold with a five year or 50,000 km warranty and Honda has set up nearly 1500 service centers and just short of 6000 repair & maintenance centers to ensure PGM-FI technology is fully supported.

But what happens when Honda’s patented PGM-FI technology is applied with a view to developing horsepower? Apparently Honda Japan has been doing just that and we came across the pictured prototype recently at a shopping centre in rural Thailand.

Based on the new 110 cc 4-stroke CZ-I, the unnamed machine apparently came straight out of Honda R&D and has a top speed approaching 100 mph and all the goodies – upside down forks, big disks, a monoshock rear end, carbon fibre bodywork and showstopping good looks."

http://www.gizmag.com/hondas-100-mph-110cc-pgm-fi- prototype/9762/

(Message edited by barker on August 13, 2008)
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Americanmadexb
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

sweet, id buy one today!
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Barker
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1 I'll take on right now too!

A lot of discussion on some of the scooter boards over how accurate the stats are, they're quoted in a number of places. With fuel injection and gearing, it is possible to do 100mph on a 110cc, though doubt you won't be getting 134mpg at that speed.
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Toona
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Am I the only one, who at first glance, thought it had 1125r radiator pods on it?
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

www.derringer.com death before scooter or minivan.
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M2nc
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 12:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Scooterish but not actually a scooter. I would buy one for commuting.
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Corporatemonkey
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 04:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If they actually import these I would be highly interested.

An ultralight weight scooter that could actually beat traffic.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Re-engineer that sucker into a street legal dual sport!
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Little taller ground clearance, and some knobbies, you can off road anything ; ) Its just how often you get to do it.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Or you could just get the Sachs Xroad and through a set of grippy knobbies on it.



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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Am I the only one, who at first glance, thought it had 1125r radiator pods on it?"

I thought it was a baby Cr actually
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gear that sachs down and put a skid plate on it, and that could be a LOT of fun. How much does it weigh, and how much does it cost?
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Barker
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the sachs road x is available in the us under another name, rebadged as peirspeed.

http://www.peirspeed.com/xroad.htm

IIRC MSRP is $2995

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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I could be scooter boy... but I'd have to do it the old fashion way and ride a Vespa and dress like a Mod.
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Crusty
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

when tested under strict ECE 40 conditions, delivers staggering the fuel economy figure of 57 km/liter

That's 134 miles per US gallon. It sounds good, but to put it into perspective, under strict EPA conditions my XT gets 64 MPG. (it also makes one hell of a lot more power)
I learned to ride on a S-90 Honda, back in the '60s. It also had good fuel economy, but I never got that bike over 40 MPH even on a long downhill stretch. I find the top speed of almost 100 to be overly optimistic at best.
I'm not saying that it won't give good performance for its size, but I don't think it's going to be as spectacular as the press release indicates.
My daughter's Blast gives an honest 70 MPG in real world conditions, handles extremely well and is made in the USA. I bet replacement parts are a lot cheaper as well.
That CZ-i may look cool to some, but I don't think it'll be 1/4 the motorcycle that the Blast is.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Xroad stats
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/sachs_x-road_125_ 2007.php

Available domestically for 2999 +freight -n-set up & ttl
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