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Bookyoh
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My '01 S3T has just begun to do something a little strange. When I turn on the ignition, everything comes on as normal except for the odometer. The display just stays blank for a few seconds. So far I have only noticed it when the bike has sat for a few hours. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Mark
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Whodom
Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mark,

My 00 S3 has done that on occasion, but not in a while. Wiggling the ignition key would fix it. I haven't noticed it happening in a long time; it seemed to clear up on its own.

Hugh
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Naustin
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll have to watch for this on mine. Thanks for the heads up.

I think I saw somewhere that the ignition cylinders wear out, but that's just a vague recollection from reading old archives, and I don't know what bike was being discussed.

Please post if you find the cause/solution too. I've read about 100 threads where somebody as a problem, and others make a bunch of suggestions, and then nothing.... So the next guy who reads the thread doesn't get to find out what it turned out to be.
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5liter
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My ignition switch went bad and it started just like that. I rode it and it got progressively worse. It luckily quit one me at home and not somewhere else
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Sparky
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One of the old posts regarding ignition switch failures pointed out that having a bunch of other keys dangling from the ignition key contributed to premature wear on the lock mechanism eventually causing intermittent 12 VDC ignition dropouts.

So, a lightweight quick-disconnect coupling on the ignition key is a good preventive measure.
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Oldog
Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the Trip meter is a fuse feed to the odo's "counter" if the Trip is zeroing randomly you want to give the wiring or fuse a look

The meters regular odo is powered from a different source if every thing else operates and the meter goes off still look to the wiring, including the grounds.

lastly the odometer is a non volitle memory counter most likely, if nothing else is squirrley it could be the counter.

On the IG switch check custom chrome for a replacement, some surgery is needed to fit it to the X1 but its about 1/3 the cost you just have to deal with 2 keys...

when keys quit things do get wierd.

(Message edited by oldog on September 23, 2006)
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Brion
Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine would do the same thing if the nut on the key switch became a little loose. I would not have it turned as far as I thought because the whole switch turned slightly.
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Iamike
Posted on Sunday, September 24, 2006 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My ignition switch croaked about 3 years ago. The replacement cost was a bit high so I just wired in a toggle switch out of sight. If I'm worrited about someone stealing it I just lock the steering column.
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Naustin
Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Iamike - I like that solution... Good to remember.
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Iamike
Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It started out as just a backup when the key switch started acting up. Then I realized that the accessory wiring was the other lead in the 3 and I was only turning on the headlight and ignition with my switch.

A couple of years ago I rode out to Phoenix and back, two weeks later the key switch failed to the point that it wouldn't even turn. I had to go back in and wire the toggle switch correctly to turn both circuits on. It's been that way since.

I don't remember the exact price of the replacement but it was a kit that had all the locks on the bike. It was either $120 or $200 some for the kit.
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5liter
Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can find ignition switches on Ebay at times. I got a brand new one as a spare that way.
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Tunes
Posted on Wednesday, October 04, 2006 - 01:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been dealing with an electrical gremlin on my '99 S3 since last year. It all started with my bike engine cutting out but nothing else, all electrics still on. I would stop, turn the key off, then on, bike would fire and off I go. Wound up changing the Angle Bank Sensor.... then later the Speedo Sensor... then the Voltage Regulator, then the Stator went while taking the battery with it. I even spent the $ and purchased the replacement ignition key set. This all took place from mid-summer '05 to this past weekend. After replacing all of these items, I was STILL having intermittent ECM lamp on's and off's. It would not fail for weeks at a time... but sometimes, the bike would run on the hot side. Ya, I changed the Temp Sensor too.

There is a relay immediately under the rear gas tank mount area/frame. The star washer that grounds this relay was loose and intermittently touching. This was causing a floating ground through the charging system which slowly cooked everything over time. I was getting 17V spikes back at the Stator! Relay checked out good, as did all the components... since they're all new now!! So, make sure that relay is grounded!!
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Henrik
Posted on Wednesday, October 04, 2006 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good info Tunes. Like Al at American Sport Bike says: "everything is a ground fault until proven otherwise ..."

Henrik
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Bomber
Posted on Wednesday, October 04, 2006 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bomber's Corollary to Al's Prime Directive --

"Everything is a ground fault until proven otherwise, unless you touched something in the last calendar quarter -- then, it's whatever you touched."
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