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Rek
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My S3 moisture problem has suddenly gone from bad to worse. I blew it off w/ the air hose yesterday to dry out any potential moisture still lingering in the electrical components, then stupidly took a bucket of warm water and washed off all the grime.

Funny thing is I drove it out into the yard no problem, started and ran just fine. Washed it off, let everything air dry a couple hours now it won't even start.

Pulled the plugs, checked the spark, everything appears just fine. Pulled the air filter thinking water had got in there; nothing amiss. It acts like there's no fire, but you stick a screwdriver in the plug wire for a farm-boy test and sparks ahoy. It's making me very crazy.

Rek
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Buelliedan
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you have spark then it must be a problem in the fuel injection. When you first turn the key on do you hear the fuel pump ticking?
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Josh_
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Know anyone with a FI tuber you could swap parts with?
The manual has some good trouble-shooting tests.
If you crank and crank, do you smell gas?

AutoZone sells a $6 noid to test the fuel injectors with (well, it tests the wiring/computer by lighting up when the injector should fire)

I had a similar problem with my 99 and replaced both injectors as they appeared to be clogged.
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Rek
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 05:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ta-dah! The problem is now corrected. I sought the help of a motorcycle mechanic in town. He thought I might have sucked a bit of moisture in through the injectors (he was right)and should pull the plugs, remove air-filter and crank 'er over a few times. Boy-howdy-Joe, the mist flew for several minutes as I cranked the motor over sans plugs and cleaned the unused fuel and water out of the cylinder. I put in new plugs and she fired up first crank. Whew.

Thanks for all the suggestions. Guess I should of taken things a little slower, might even have figured it out on my own (or not).

Rek
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Rek
Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 10:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I might've lied. Even though the bike starts and runs, it's really rough-sounding like its got a bad miss. And the oil-light comes on after a couple miles or so, usually around 3500 rpm. I browsed the knowledge vault for oil-pressure issuses and am headed out the garage for the visual oil circulation test, but the rough running has me confused. Could it be the Stabil I put in the fuel?

Rek
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ICK..you put stabil in?
I dont feel like repeating the story, but I had a nasty incident with stabil & would never ever use it again.

Some folks swear by it, others avoid it.
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Lightningdon
Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Definitely! drain the fuel, get new and don't use that stuff ever again!
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Rek
Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Soooo, stabil is bad ju-ju? I've always used it on my rice-grinders when I store them away for the winter, also on the lawn mower, the boat, the '70 caddy and the '70 VW bus, even the weed-eater and rototiller too. Have I been inadvertantly screwing all these up? How could I have known?
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 06:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rek, its hit or miss. Like I said some folks love it, others dont.

I used it 1 time & it caused a mess of problems with my Virago...actually plugged the carbs up with what looked like dried up loctite.

Now I just leave everything alone. The lawnmower, weedeater, bikes, etc sit all winter with gas in em..sometimes its 6 months before they are touched & they always start right up.
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Outrider
Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have never had a problem with Stabil when used in minimal quantity. However, my Father, the Engineer, taught me to run the gas out of everything before storing and we never had a problem, even with a 54 year old outboard motor.

Read your manual on the gas powered weed whacker and it most likely says to drain the system before storing.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 12:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have never had an issue with storing it with fuel in it...why change now?
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M2me
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have used Stabil for years with no problems. But I have also forgotten to use it like this past winter and I honestly don't notice any difference in starting the bike in the spring. So I'm not sure if it's even worth using. I always turn off the gas and then run it until it dies. Then in the spring I top off the tank frequently so the old gas is being mixed with new gas right away.
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Rek
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Problem solved...or at least identified. I had a couple inspections around Great Falls this week and dropped it off at the dealer while I made the rounds. They hooked it up to the 'puter and determined my oxygen sensor has gone kaput, blamed it on the stabile (HD only authorizes ONE fuel additive...).

Anyway, no sensor in stock so I brought it home and have a new one being shipped. I'm just glad to have figured it out. The lesson is that FI and fuel additives are bad ju-ju
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